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搞事情!BBC访谈又拿香港民主说事儿,中国驻英大使:瞎操啥心,20年前可没选举

2017-07-04 CGTNOfficial

7月1日是香港回归祖国20周年的纪念日。20年前的那个夏天,紫荆花旗伴随着五星红旗在东方之珠冉冉升起,标志着香港主权正式由英国移交给中国。这个流落在外多年的孩子终于回家了…

 

香港回归后的这些年,也是历经风雨,从亚洲金融风暴到“非典”爆发再到全球金融危机,每一次难关面前,中央政府始终是她的坚实后盾。得到祖国的加持,“亚洲四小龙之首”这以后的路越走越宽,现在的香港已成为和美国纽约,英国伦敦齐名的全球三大金融中心,并连续多年被评为全球最自由的经济体。


本来是可喜可乐的大团圆故事,可当年带走孩子的英吉利船长却坐不住了,非得时不时出来吐吐酸水。上周五,中国驻英国大使刘晓明在接受BBC广播四台早间王牌时政节目Today(《今日》)的主持人汉弗莱斯的现场直播专访时,就感受到了这位代表大英帝国的毒舌君深深的恶意。

汉弗莱斯在节目刚开始就迫不及待开怼:

Isn’t it the reality that it’s one country, increasingly one system?

“现在你们难道不是越来越向‘一国一制’靠拢了吗?”


刘晓明大使思路清晰,沉稳淡定地回应:

"As a matter of fact, the central government delivered everything it promised, that is 'One Country, Two Systems'.” I think that basically Hong Kong will maintain its social, economic system, way of life, rule of law. And I think Hong Kong now is a much better place compared with 20 years ago."

“事实上,中央政府践行了承诺,坚定不移地贯彻了‘一国两制方针’。香港原有的社会制度、经济体制、生活方式和法律制度基本保持不变。我认为,与20年前相比,香港变得更好了。”


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接下来的对话就更有趣了。


汉弗莱斯:我刚采访的陳方安生(前香港政务司司长)说中国政府就是想把香港牢牢抓在手里啊,难道不是吗?


刘晓明:我并不同意她的说法,对比一下现在香港的民主政治和当年的状况


汉弗莱斯:民主政治?


刘晓明:20年前香港有选举吗?谁选举了港督?


汉弗莱斯(声调上扬):那会儿是殖民地,没有人会否认香港是殖民地的事实,但是…(主持人丝毫没有作为侵略者的历史廉耻心啊)


刘晓明不急不缓的回应道:

“And in the past 20 years, there were five elections in Hong Kong…. I would say the chief executive is elected according to the Basic Law, according to the election law in Hong Kong. You have to achieve this through incremental, gradual progress and step by step. As we say: Rome was not built overnight."

“过去二十年,香港有五次选举…香港特首选举依据的是基本法和香港选举法。民主的实现不能一蹴而就,需要一步步稳步前进。正如我们说的,罗马不是一日建成的。”


两人的论战渐渐过渡到了“香港自由”的话题上,当刘晓明这样告诉主持人:

"Also I would say when you look at a society whether it is free or not free, you should have a big picture. You can not only focus on some discontented people, focus on the complaints of the people."

“当你评判一个社会是否自由,你应该有一个宏观的把握。而不是只关注极少数心怀不满的人和那些人的抱怨。”


毒舌君汉弗莱斯竟然忍不住暴露自己作为前殖民者的优越感:

“You know there was a report by the foreign office in February 2016, and Boris Johnson, our present secretary has said the involuntary removal from Hong Kong to the mainland constitutes a serious breach of the Sino-British Joint declaration by undermining the ‘one country, two systems’ principle. And that is what the British government fears.

“你知道的我们外交部在2016年2月出过一个报告,Boris Johnson, 我们现在的外交大臣就曾说过这件事情严重违反了中英联合声明,动摇了‘一国两制’原则。这正是英国政府担心的事情。


刘晓明再次掷地有声,有理有节的回应:

“First of all, we disagree with the so-called report on “Hong Kong”, which is published twice a year. Hong Kong is an integral part of China, Hong Kong’s affairs is internal affairs of China.”

“首先,我们并不认同这份半年发布一次的所谓的香港报告。香港是中国不可分割的一部分,香港问题是中国的内政问题。”


(此处,汉弗莱斯欲抢话,被气场强大的刘大使怼回来了)


刘晓明:“Let me finish. Even concerning this report, you should have a big picture. I think on the whole British government commends Chinese government for implementing “One Country Two Systems”. They believe “One Country Two Systems” is a success. There are some differences between China and UK, but on the whole, we all believe that long-term stability and long-term prosperity are in the interest of Hong Kong people.”

请允许我把话说完。即便就这份报告来说,你应当有一个大局观。我认为总的来说,英国政府对于中国政府贯彻‘一国两制’方针是持赞赏态度的,认为‘一国两制’体制是成功的。即使中英在某些问题上存在差异,但总的来说,我们都相信长期的繁荣稳定是符合香港人民切身利益的。”


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访谈全程15分钟,下面是刘大使回应金句摘选


  • "When you say ‘One Country, Two Systems’, I think a lot of people forget there is a one framework, Hong Kong is part of China, not part of UK."

    “当你谈‘一国两制’,我相信很多人忘记了一个基本框架,那就是香港是中国的一部分,而不是英国属地。”

 

  • “I encourage you to go to Hong Kong, to go to China to see the changes.”

    “我鼓励你去香港看看,去中国看看,亲眼见证这些年的变化。”

 

  • “We’re not interested in being a superpower, we’re interested in improving people’s livelihood and addressing the disparities between the regions.”

    “我们对于成为超级大国没有兴趣,我们只在乎如何改善民生,缩小地区差异。”

 

  • “(Concerning DPRK’s nuclear issue), the United States, South Korea and other countries should also take steps, and they should suspend their military exercises. Each time when I persuade North Korea to give up their nuclear weapons, they say we’re threatened by the ‘superpowers’.”

    “关于朝鲜核问题,美国,韩国和其他国家也应该有所表示,停止相关军事行动。每次当我试图劝说朝鲜放弃核武器,他们会说‘我们受到了超级大国的威胁’。”

访谈一出,就在海外社交媒体引发热议。不少国外网友纷纷谴责BBC报道的双重标准。


这位来自马来西亚的Facebook网友评论:“英国曾经入侵中国,殖民中国的领土百余年,在香港回归以前,香港没有民主可言。而现在他们却因为指责中国政府缺乏民主和人权,多么可笑!”


一位美国友人在Facebook上评论:“中国正在变得越来越好,现在我们知道谁有危机感了吧。”


这位来自英国的网友更加直言不讳:“抵制BBC,他们的反华倾向太明显,那些自以为是的报道有失偏颇。”


另一位英国网友也指出:“BBC和公正报道无法联系在一起。”


除了BBC带着有色眼镜的偏颇报道之外,其他多家外媒在前几天也集中报道,客观中肯地评述了香港回归20年在中央政府支持下取得的成就。


经济学人杂志(The Economist)发表了一篇热情洋溢的报道,对“一国两制”方针大加赞赏。


“Two systems” has worked better than many expected. Hong Kong remains distinct. It is the most prosperous part of China and also the most free. China has largely kept out of Hong Kong’s affairs while at the same time benefiting from its dynamic capitalism. The People’s Liberation Army remains confined to barracks, except for ceremonial parades such as one Mr Xi will inspect this weekend. Its courts are still respected internationally, its media are lively.

“一国两制”运行得比预期的要好。香港依旧保持独立。它是中国最繁荣也是最自由的地区。中国基本上不干涉香港事务,同时也从自由资本主义中获益。人民解放军除了某些庆典活动,比如习近平主席本周末的检阅,大部分时间还是驻扎在营地。香港法院享有很高的国际声誉,媒体行业百家争鸣。


海峡时报(Straits Times)在其评论中指出了中央政府对香港的支持。


Businessmen and entrepreneurs have benefited from economic growth during the last two decades. They largely support the establishment and the central government.

在过去的二十年中,(香港的)商人和企业家从这座城市的经济发展中获益颇丰,因此他们十分支持中央政府。


纽约时报(New York Times)刊登了香港立法会议员叶刘淑仪的评论文章,提出“香港自治度更高”的观点。


Hong Kong has, in fact, become more democratic in the 20 years since the end of British rule. More members of the Legislative Council are freely elected. The legislature has become more autonomous and assertive compared with its forebear in the colonial era. It has investigated the executive branch for breaches of the law, making it a powerful check on executive power.

事实上,香港在英国结束对其殖民统治后的二十年里,变得更民主了。更多的立法会议员是通过自由选举产生的。与殖民时期相比,香港的立法机关自治度更高,也更有话语权,对行政权力的制约更有力度。


卫报(The Guardian)的报道中,香港立法会议员周浩鼎阐述了“香港是中国的一部分”的不争事实。


The majority of Hong Kong people have never supported the notorious idea of Hong Kong independence. Hong Kong is part of China and we are Chinese: this is a fact and never in dispute.

绝大多数香港人从来没有支持过香港独立。香港是中国的一部分,我们都是中国人,这是一个不争的事实。


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