对德国地下黑金属强团Katharsis的采访(贰)
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One of your printed lyrics is called “The black grail”. Although the content probably is one of your most remarkable stuff I want to know more on things referring to the title...Isthere a general, research-worthy interest on complexes like Catharian; grail,spear, or perhaps equivalent/ coinciding topics of other folks?
你们的作品中，有一份歌词叫“黑色圣杯”，尽管这可能是你最出色的作品，有关这个标题，我希望能够了解到更多内容…这是否展现了你对凯撒利亚族（译者注：居住于凯撒利亚——今地中海东岸以色列境内，曾是中世纪繁华的贸易港口）这样复杂体在大体上的、值得研究的兴趣，比如圣杯、长矛或是同样的/巧合的有关其他民族的话题？
D.: No, the grail in the lyrics is to be understood as asolely symbolical entity, a concept mocking the traditional Christian doctrineand belief i.e. White Light/Blood of Christ mysticism. A blasphemouscounterpart.
Just like most of the similar subjects, the Otto Rahnthing etc. is highly interesting indeed but it is one of the most criticalfields of research (‘miened’ , as we say in German) since, in my opinion, thehistorical-esoteric-commercial complex has exploit it so much and there are somany rumours, assertions with little or without any substance. One must becareful about all those nice theories and books. Always keep the Ministry ofTruth in mind, folks.
D.:不，歌词里的圣杯应被理解为一个单独的象征的实体，一个对传统基督主义与信仰的嘲讽，也就是什么纯白之光/之血的基督神秘主义。（圣杯）是一个亵神的配对物。
就像许多相似的学科一样，比如奥托·拉恩（译者注：德国历史学家，一生致力于追求传说中的圣杯）的那些玩意儿等等，那确实很有趣，但同时也是研究中最具批判性的领域之一（风度偏偏，我们德国人这么说）。在我看来，历史学的——圈内的——商业的复合体已经将其（代指玄学）开发出很多了，也有太多毫无说服力的谣言和断言了。那些民族，请用心对待那些优秀的理论与书籍，请将真理放在心上。
As we already know your bandname means “purification through fire”. Can you imagine to partake infiremaking, as a catalyst I mean? Or walks your resistance more on an innerpathways? And what is your conviction about what comes after purification, thegolden age, as the traditions tell, an empire of the “sun”, or more the BM-clichéway with despise of light & so on…?
我们都知道你们的乐队名字意味着“浴火净化”，你能想象实力玩儿火的场景吗？或是用走心的方式？你确信净化之后会迎来些什么呢，黄金时代，像传统告诉我们的那样，一个“太阳”的帝国，或是更多老生常谈的什么对光明的蔑视等等？
D.: No, action is a must, but the scene in general seemsto have a grown a bit unaware of this important matter, and unfortunately Ihave grown a bit inactive myself, too! We should worship our Lord not only bytalk but acts – We all shall experience a nice little bonfire before the EvilParadise can be erected. And whosoever falleth not down and worshippeth shallthe same be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace…
D.：不，行动是必须的，但是通常情况下这些场景都需要在不在意这个重要的物质（代指老生常谈的东西）之下成长一些，不幸的是我自己也变得有些不活跃了！我们需要崇拜我们的神，言必行——我们都需要在恶魔天堂建立起来之前经历一次美妙绝伦的小型篝火祭祀，无论是谁，只要没有堕落、没有敬我们的神的，都得来一次烈焰熔炉的精炼…
I must say Scorn’s new KATHARSISlogo looks incredibly good (I guess, It was used on “666” first)! There seemsto be a certain influence by SADISTIK EXEKUTION, do you agree? I even dare tosay it looks better than theirs. On the other hand, the other logo on thesplit-EP with MOONBLOOD is adorned with looks really shitty in comparison… whyhaven’t you used Scorn’s classic one again?
我不得不说Scorn（乐队吉他和贝斯）设计的Katharsis新队标赞极了（我猜的，这在《666》上被第一次使用）！这一定是受了Sadistik Exekution（译者注：澳洲极端金属神团，影响了非常多的黑死CULT队）的影响，你同意吗？我甚至敢说你们的看起来比他们的棒。另一方面，跟Moonblood（译者注：德国原始黑强团，已解散）合并发行的那张迷你专辑上你们的队标与现在的相比太狗屎了…为什么不再使用一次Scorn设计的经典队标呢？
D.: The logo on the split-EP with MOONBLOOD was fine. Ireckon we used it because we wished to do so. The upcoming releases willfeature the logo drawn by Scorn again, which we still prefer. Yes, there is aclear influence by Rok’s kind of drawing which captures the essence of rippingand sick Black/Death Metal perfectly. Spikes or die, Scorn and I are confessingSADISTIKKKX lunatics! I think that this band is underestimated by many whosimply do not understand them…
D.：那张合并专辑上的队标还好吧，我估计我们用它只是因为我们想。以后的专辑都将会再次使用Scorn绘制的队标，我们更喜欢那个。是的，我们确实受了Rok（译者注：Sadistik Exekution主唱）的影响，他的艺术作品完美地诠释了黑/死金属的精髓。钉子还是死亡，我和Scorn都为SADISTIKKKX那群疯子忏悔！我认为那个乐队被那些不能理解他们的人们低估了…
It seems that you guys are a lotinto drawing logos & doing artwork, not only for KATHARSIS, but also forother hordes from the ground. In the past you were responsible for the layoutof some the Sombre releases & Scorn did logos for cohorts like CHARON &such. For what else bands have you done any artwork so far? How must a bandappear to get your co-operation?
看起来你们都十分倾心于画队标和美工，不仅仅为了Katharsis，同样为了其他团。过去你为Sombre厂牌（译者注：德国地下黑金属厂牌，已倒闭）工作，Scorn则为像Charon那样的团设计队标，到目前为止还有些什么团你们帮他们做过美工的？一个乐队如何才会想要跟你们合作呢？
D.: Scorn is the better artist of us three. I very seldomget much far than to a raw sketch myself. I liked to do the editing at thecomputer for several Sombre releases, and I guess I will keep doing this workfor a while, too. Scorn also drew the artwork for APOLOKIA’s side on theirSplit-LP with DARKSTORM. Besides that and the stuff you already mentioned, I can’tthink of other stuff already made. All the work was done due to personalcontact, neither of us is Christophe Szpaijdel so it makes no sense to ask forlogos etc.
D.：Scorn是我们三个里最棒的艺术家，我很少做些高级的玩意儿，我只会画生硬的自画，我喜欢在电脑上为Sombre厂牌做一些编辑工作，我猜我会继续做下去一会儿。Scorn也为Apolokia（译者注：意大利厌世黑）设计过他们和Darkstorm（译者注：捷克原始黑）合并专辑的队标，除了这个和之前你提到的那些，就没有别的了。所有的合作都是出于私下交往，我们都不是Christophe Szpajdel（译者注：比利时著名金属队标设计师，原文里他的名字被打错了），所以没有必要询问什么关于队标的事情。
In the early days you calledyourself “Drag” & later you replaced the “g” on the end through “kh” whichfinally reaches both, an alienation of the obviously form the English languageborrowed word & an increase of its ugly & brutal sounding. Anyagreement? Can we also see this as a reminiscence on SADISTIK EXEKUTION?
早些时候你管自己叫做“Drag”，之后你把单词结尾的“g”替换成了“kh”，这既达到了一个虚构的异化的英语单词的效果，又使它在难听而凶暴的发音上得到加分。同意否？我们是否也可以把这看作对Sadistik Exekution的一种致敬呢？
D.: Yeah, “obviously…”. But, hell, what kind of aquestion is this again, Sherlock you socio-linguistic scholar. Anyway, I can confirm your assumption thatthe change was made due to the harsher sounding. I also have to admit I was notfamiliar with the English slang of certain border groups back then when I chosethe former spelling of my pseudonym, so I must change it when I found out inorder to avoid possible misunderstandings… This hath nothing so ever to do withS.E., at least not by purpose.
D.：是的，“很明显…”，但是，妈的，这又是啥问题，夏洛克（译者注：采访者）你丫真是个社会语言学学者。不管怎样，我还得证实你的假设，这个改变确实是为了这刺耳的发音，我也不得不承认我不熟悉那些返祖的英语俚语，然后当我选择了前者——我的假名时，我发现我必须得改一下它以免引起误解...这跟Sadistik Exekution没啥关系，起码这不是因为他们而改变的。
By the way, what do you thinkabout SADISTIK’s new album? What others of the old bands do you pay yourattention to? What bands do you generally name as considerable influence forKATHARSIS?
顺便，你觉得Sadistik Exekution的新砖如何？你还关注哪些老炮儿？你认为哪些团是对Katharsis产生了相当的影响的？
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D.: I like the “Fukk” album a lot again, it is chaoticand weird as S.E. are expected to sound like… It would take much too long totry to list all bands I listen to or which KATHARSIS could count as influences,but my all-time favorite records come from bands like DARKTHRONE, MAYHEM,BATHORY, HELLHAMMER, VENOM, POSSESSED, SLAYER, SODOM, MORBID ANGEL, SARCOFAGO,BEHERIT, BLASPHEMY, SAMAEL, ABRUPTUM. Regardless of the further or currentdevelopments of some of these (former) cults.
D.：我十分喜欢他们的《Fukk》那张专辑，那张表现得就像Sadistik Exekution应该展现的那样精彩…列出我听的或是说对Katharsis产生影响的那些团可能要花很长时间，但是我一直以来喜欢的专辑出自像Darkthrone、Mayhem、Bathory、Hellhammer、Venom、Possessed、Slayer、Morbid Angel、Sarcofago、Beherit、Blasphemy、Samael、Abruptum这些团，但我不在乎未来或当下这些（代指前面提到的乐队）畜逼们的发展。
I’m a bit unsure when it comesto the early days of KATHARSIS. Founded in ’94 you renamed the band inDEATHCULT in the year 1996, right? Can you remember the old days when youdecided to summon such a horde like KATHARSIS has become? What were your goalsback then – as satanic & anti-Christian as today? Why have you againrenamed the band into KATHARSIS some time later? When you listen to the oldDEATHCULT stuff what do you feel? Do you think it still represents you?
我对Katharsis刚成军时期的故事有些懵逼，乐队在1994年建立后你又在96年把名字改成了Deathcult是吗？你能忆起你们打算召唤一个像Katharsis后来这样的群落的老日子吗？你当时的目标是什么——像今天一样撒旦、反基督吗？为何后来你又把乐队名字改成了Katharsis呢？当你听Deathcult的那些老东西时你感觉如何？你认为那仍然代表着你吗？
D.: KATHARSIS was formed as a nameless band and was namedname ever since. DEATHCULT was a side-project formed by MK and Scorn which wasonly alive during Fall/Winter 1996. I honour the DEATHCULT tape very much,still I have no cause to make any further remarks on it here.
KATHARSIS was a Satanic Metal band, it is and it alwayswill be. Ever since the days around 1993 we have strongly been believing inBlack/Death Metal up to now. The purpose of Black Metal is a “scared” mission.Warfare. We all are the legions. Whatever commerce/culture industry and societyhave been doing to weaken REAL Black Metal, whatever all the false ones havebeen doing to pervert the essence of Black/Death Metal and to destroy itsmystery, we have to keep the fire burning. Victory must be ours. Revenge!
D.：Katharsis一开始是个无名团，乐队名字一直沿用至今。Deathcult只是MK（译者注：乐队鼓手）和Scorn的单方面计划，它只存在于96年的秋冬时期，我十分爱惜Deathcult的磁带，我没有理由在这里谈论一些关于它的更多详情。
Katharsis是个撒旦黑团，现在是，将来也一样。93年至今我们一直坚持着强烈的黑/死金属信念，黑金属的目的是一个“可怖的”任务、战争，我们是个军团。不管商业/文化的工业和社会如何削弱纯正黑金属的力量，不管那些走上歧路的团怎么使黑/死金属的真谛堕落，使其神秘性被破坏，我们都得一直点燃手中神圣的火把。胜利一定属于我们，我要报仇！
Some members of certain bandsclaim that they never rehearse & only meet at the recording session to keepit spontaneous & raw.
Is that the same in KATHARSIS ordo you have a more “skilled’ approach? How often do you rehearse? Actuallythings are going slow for you as the old rehearsal room was lost, voiceswhisper…
某些乐手说他们从不排练，他们只在录音会时见面，就为了保证音乐的自然和原始。
Katharsis这边也一样吗？或者说你有更“技巧性”的方法呢？你们多久排练一次？事实上在老排练室丢失之后你们的工作进行得慢了些吧...
D.: We do rehearse. This has nothing to do with skills ora raw feeling. Rehearsals are the centre of our band activity and it is theonly way to realize and practice new ideas for a three man outfit, isn’t it. Iam into improvisation very much, but we do not want to exaggerate that aspect sowe rehearse all our songs. Sadly, we cannot rehearse too often, but I hope thissituation will change.
D.：我们当然排练，这跟什么技巧或者原始感无关，排练是我们乐队的核心活动，这也是对于一个三人结构的团唯一能够意识到与练习新的点子的途径，不是吗？我十分享受即兴，但我们不想在那方面搞个大新闻，所以我们排练我们所有的歌曲。难过的是，我们无法经常排练，但我希望这个状况会得到改善。
依旧十分感谢用心阅读的读者们，后续内容将在不久内继续整理出，敬请期待！——译者
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