安东尼成穷人版哈里斯？甜瓜低迷是定位问题还是状态下滑？

Tobias Harris used to be the poor man's Carmelo Anthony. Now, Carmelo Anthony is the poor man's Tobias Harris.

曾经，托拜厄斯-哈里斯（快船）是穷人版的卡梅罗-安东尼。但现在，甜瓜成了穷人版的哈里斯了。

Oh how the turnbles have tabed. A few years ago, everyone was saying Tobias Harris played and was built similarly to Melo, but did everything a bit worse. Now, Tobias Harris is a legit 20 ppg scorer with a deadly 3-point shot. While Melo is a marshmellow faced chucker.

怎么这就风水轮流转了呢？几年前，每个人都在说哈里斯的身型和打球的方式和甜瓜相似，但各方面上都差那么点意思。但是现在，哈里斯已经是个场均20分的合格得分手了，而且还有一手绝命的三分射术。而甜瓜却成了个棉花糖面孔的浪投手。

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 [–][NYK] Richie GuerinRonshakeandbaker 2583 指標 11小時前

Guy who exited his prime gets surpassed by guy who entered his prime. Hot take

尼克斯球迷：一个巅峰期已过的球员被另一个刚进入巅峰期的球员超过而已。多新鲜呐。

[–][LAL] Derek Fisherfatfreecandy 350 指標 9小時前

i wish we would be less harsh on the aging super stars who are trying to hang around.

try to enjoy their legacy a bit. as a slightly older fan, trust me, you will start to miss the old players and root for the old guys who are still in the league.

湖人球迷：希望我们不要对那些老了的超级球星太过苛刻，他们只是试图继续发光发热啊。

让我们享受他们落幕前的表演吧。作为一个年龄稍长的球迷，相信我，你将会开始想念那些（退役的）老球员，并且为那些还在联盟打拼的老球员们加油助威。

[–]Thunderdrewskki1 141 指標 6小時前*

Easy to say when they aren't on your team.

When Kobe was chucking in his last season y'all weren't playing for anything. The season was literally the "watch Kobe chuck" Tour.

Watching melo on defense and trying to ISO is painful

雷霆球迷：你说的轻巧，他现在又不在你湖。

科比最后一个赛季瞎jb扔时你湖也没什么奔头啊，那个退役巡演毫不夸张地讲就是“看科比胡扔”之旅。

看现在甜瓜在防守端的表现以及进攻端的单打真的让人很蛋疼。

[–]CavaliersKenchan21 42 指標 7小時前

Yea when Vince Carter was so washed that he missed a wide open dunk, I did not laugh..I wept... because of how funny it was

骑士球迷：是啊（我们不要对老巨星们太苛刻了）。当卡特荣光不在，错失无人防守的扣篮时，我没有嘲笑他……而是哭泣了……因为太搞笑了，笑哭了。

[–]RocketsTheLordOfTheKappas 38 指標 6小時前

Isoooooooooo joeeeeeeeee

火箭球迷：看我火，单单单单打乔！

[–]Lakersayybreezy 14 指標 4小時前

Honest question, do most OKC fans feel like they'd be better without Melo on the team?

湖人球迷：坦白地问一下，难道绝大多数雷霆球迷觉得没有甜瓜的话，雷霆能够更好？

[–]Thunderdrewskki1 19 指標 4小時前

Idk about most. I certainly am on that side of the fence.

雷霆球迷：我不知道是不是绝大多数都这么想，但我确实是这么认为的。

[–][HOU] Trevor ArizaLOLOK12 30 指標 3小時前

I'm more scared of Brewer going off in the playoffs than Melo. Mr. Triple-double is getting his 30-pt TD, George gets his 25-5, Kiwi with 10 offensive rebounds, and Brewer is anywhere between 11 to 51 pts with 5 steals.

火箭球迷：比起甜瓜，季后赛我更怕的是连长布鲁尔挺身而出。三双先生威少打出得分30+的三双是妥妥的，乔治得到25分+5篮板也不在话下，亚当斯抢下10个进攻篮板是常规操作。但布鲁尔就太不好说了，他的得分能力在11分~51分之间，还有5个抢断。

Then you got Old Yeller on the the baseline with his pull-up jumper... 14 points on 6-18 shooting

然后就是老甜瓜在底线附近干拔……18投6中砍下14分。

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[–]Undecided- 172 指標 11小時前

the point is that he fell off hard, especially since melo's game was supposed to transition well with age

关键是甜瓜下滑得太猛了，尤其是大家之前都认为以甜瓜的球风和技术，他的能力不会因年龄而暴跌。

[–]RaptorsMasai-Ujiri 481 指標 11小時前

His game has aged well. He came into the league at 19 and he’s 33 now. He just averaged 22 last season. How common do you think that is?

火箭球迷：确实没有啊。他19岁进入联盟，现在他已经33岁了。他上赛季还场均22分。你认为在这个联盟这有多普遍？

[–]KnicksObjective-LeBron-fan 316 指標 11小時前

15 seasons in but “He fell off hard” lmao. That knee issue in 2015 hurt Melo’s game a lot. Just the year before he was legit a top 10 player still.

尼克斯球迷：这是他第十五个赛季啊，你跟我说什么“下滑巨大”，笑死我了。2015年的膝盖受伤让甜瓜的表现打了很大的折扣。而在那一年前他还是名副其实的联盟前10的球员。

[–]Lakerstunnelblanket 141 指標 9小時前

It's sad to think that some people were too young to see Melo in his Denver days.

湖人球迷：太可悲了，这里好多JR太年轻，没看过掘金时期的甜瓜。

[–]NBArustyjame5 66 指標 9小時前

at one point denver had ai and melo.

they were top 2 on scoring list that season. (albeit it was right after the trade)

那时丹佛还有艾弗森和甜瓜这对黄金双枪。

那个赛季（06-07赛季）他们占据得分榜前两位，不过是在那笔交易完成之后的即时排行（过了一阵就不是这样了）。

[–]Rocketsrecursion8 19 指標 8小時前

Outside of 1 year with Chauncey they did nothing but get broomed in the first round.

火箭球迷：除了撸来比卢普斯的那一年外，甜瓜在掘金的岁月可以用“不停的在第一轮被送回家”来概括。

[–]wtfisgoingon23 41 指標 8小時前

33 years old getting paid 28 million a year. You expect him to perform better than being the 47th best power forward per PER. If you get paid what he does and shoots as much as he does people deserve to be critical of him. Especially if he picks up his 28 million option next year which puts Thunder in extremely tough financial situation with the NBA being a soft cap league.

33岁拿着2800万的年薪，现在的PER在所有大前锋里排第四十七名，人们对甜瓜的期望不止于此吧？甜瓜领着大合同，拥有大量出手，人们挑他毛病也没问题啊。尤其是如果他执行他明年2800万的球员选项的话，雷霆的财务状况面临的问题将会非常严峻，因为NBA施行软工资帽（要交很高的奢侈税）。

[–]spinuch 21 指標 7小時前

Maybe the Thunder front office should be taking this criticism though. Does he really even fit with the team anyway? I don't watch the thunder so I can't say how good or bad he's been other than looking at his stats.

也许雷霆管理层应该背这个锅。是否他真得适合这个队？我没看雷霆的比赛，所以我不能讲他打得有多好或多烂，我只能通过数据来分析。

[–]Pistonsthe_shins 20 指標 9小時前

It's especially funny since his season this year, where he supposedly "fell off hard", he's scoring 16.6 ppg on 36% from deep, which is about as good as Tobias Haris have been his career until this season. (16.8 ppg on 37,6% from deep over 3 different seasons in Detroit, including half of this season. He was more efficient from 2 than Melo though)

活塞球迷：挺搞笑的，都说甜瓜这赛季表现应当是大幅度下滑了，然而他场均16.6分，三分命中率36%，而这个表现跟哈里斯本赛季前的最佳表现差不多啊。他在底特律打了3个赛季多（包括这个赛季交易前的半个赛季），哈里斯场均16.8分，三分命中率37.6%。不过他的两分球效率好于甜瓜是真的。

[–]BullsFIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA 18 指標 9小時前

lol people just love to shit on Carmelo. On top of what everyone else has said, dude is also playing as Option #3 for the first time in his career. It doesn't suit his play style at all.

哈哈，人们只是喜欢喷安东尼而已。而且我再补充下，本赛季是甜瓜职业生涯首次充当球队的第三选择。这完全不符合他的球风。

[–]76erssabakasabaka 37 指標 11小時前

32 other 32-year-olds averaged at least 20 PPG in the 3pt-era. Melo's TS% of .535 was 4th worst

有三分线以来，联盟有32个能在至少32岁的年龄场均得分20+的球员。甜瓜的真实命中率是53.5%，倒数第四。

[–]RaptorsMasai-Ujiri 74 指標 10小時前

How many came into the league at 19 and were in their 14th year?

那这里有多少人是19岁进入联盟，并且是在自己的第14个赛季还能取得这样的表现？

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[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 39 指標 9小時前*

I think people just always compare Melo to Lebron because of their similar height/weight/build/age/bananaboatbros/etc. Earlier in his career, Melo haters would always say how Lebron could literally take the local CLE YMCA to the finals yet Melo can't get out the first round of the east.

我觉得大家一直拿安东尼和詹姆斯比，因为他们身高、体重、身型、年龄相似，而且都是香蕉船成员。在甜瓜职业生涯早期，瓜黑们老是说詹姆斯能带着他们奶奶打进总决赛，而甜瓜却迈不过东部首轮。

At this point let's be honest and admit Melo isn't on Lebron level and never will be. Prime Melo wasn't bad (he just wasn't Lebron) and that current Melo is still a good player to have on your team (just not better than having Lebron).

时至今日，老实讲，我们得承认甜瓜不是和詹姆斯一个级别的，以后也不可能了。巅峰期的甜瓜不差（只不过他不是詹姆斯罢了）。现在的甜瓜仍然是任意球队的优秀补充（只不过比不上拥有詹姆斯罢了）。

But once you isolate Melo from Lebron you'll realize that he's still a great HOF level player and appreciate him for him. Prime Melo was a very complete offensive player who could&nbs 53 36184 53 19366 0 0 5198 0 0:00:06 0:00:03 0:00:03 5198p;bang/post down, hit mid-range fade-away 2's, or close out teams with a few clutch 3's from the right wing.

但是一旦你把甜瓜从和詹姆斯的比较中脱离出来，你将会意识到他依旧是一个伟大的名人堂级别的球员，并且更加珍惜他。巅峰期的甜瓜是个非常全面的进攻球员，可以低位强撸、中距离后仰跳投，或者在右翼投中关键三分收走比赛。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesswagdaddy912 10 指標 10小時前

Lol people were saying Melos game would transition better than LeBron's like 6 years ago

骑士球迷：哈哈，六年前人们还在说比起詹姆斯的打球方式，甜瓜的球风在未来能够让他更持久。

[–][BOS] Rajon RondoCeltics73_ali 39 指標 9小時前

Everyone expects lebrons athleticism to fall off, but the man keeps pushing on

凯尔特人球迷：每个人都觉得詹姆斯的运动能力会下滑，但他却依然在进步。

[–]wtfisgoingon23 8 指標 10小時前

Carmelo Antony has been a negative for OKC this year and is going to kill them if he picks up his 27 million (gulp) option next year. If he picks up that option the Thunder are screwed. If they somehow convince Paul George to stay they will have the highest cap total in the NBA, more than the Cavs. The man has shot over 45% just once over the last 7 years of his career (45.2% in 2013-2014). He is a below average on both sides of the ball.

今年对于雷霆来说安东尼是个败笔，而且如果他下赛季执行2700万（咽口唾沫）的球员选项，他会害死这只球队。如果雷管能成功说服乔治留下（天知道该怎么说服），他们将会超过骑士成为联盟薪金最高的球队。过去七年，甜瓜的投篮命中率只有一次超过45%（13-14赛季的45.2%）。在攻防两端他的表现都低于平均水平。

[–]Raptorsdemarderollins 39 指標 9小時前

100% Melo is accepting his option. This is his last big payday, there is zero chance anyone pays him that much again. I think he'll be lucky to get 10 million a year offers in 2019.

甜瓜百分百会执行他的球员选项。这是他最后一份大合同，以后没人会再给他这么高的年薪了。我认为在2019年休赛季他能得到1000万年薪的报价就算幸运了。

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[–]Santi627 151 指標 11小時前

So ESPN weren't wrong when they ranked Melo as 64th best player in the league before the season ?

这么说来，本赛季开始前ESPN把甜瓜排在联盟球员第64位没什么错喽？

[–]HawksSonnyBlack90 35 指標 9小時前

27 mil to a 34 year old chucking defensive liability. What in the holy fuck were they thinking picking him up?

拿2700万给一个34岁防守端是累赘的浪投王。他喵的雷管把他撸来是想干啥？

[–]datway_ 3 指標 9小時前

Seriously a boneheaded move by Presti.

雷霆总经理普雷斯蒂的一个愚蠢交易。

[–]dageorge56978180 55 指標 9小時前

Hindsight’s 20/20, he thought he was getting Olympic Melo, not washed melo

你这是事后诸葛亮。普雷斯蒂本以为他会得到一个奥运会版本的甜瓜，而不是风采不在的甜瓜。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveA_A_lewis_ 48 指標 8小時前

seriously. melo was still an all-star last year (though backup and in the east). everyone at the time was losing their minds about how much of a genius presti was. if you want to become an elite team you have to make gambles and sometimes they don't work out

骑士球迷：确实啊。甜瓜去年仍然是一个全明星（虽然是东部的替补）。这笔交易完成后，每个人疯了似地夸普雷斯蒂是多么的天才。如果你想让球队达到精英级别，你就不得不去赌一赌，而有的时候结果不会如你所愿。

[–]LakerstRussTheProcess 10 指標 8小時前

No, he though he was getting hoodie melo

湖人球迷：不，他以为他会得到连帽衫模式的甜瓜。

[–][PHI] Eric SnowPhillyFreezer_ 10 指標 7小時前

Not really all that true. People just didn't want to look at his numbers because they thought it was because of being on the Knicks. Melo has, in almost every category, been on a steady decline for like 4-5 years. Literally everything. TS%, PER, Ppg, Reb, Ast. The only thing that hasn't fallen off really is his 3%. Everything else even before this season was going down down down. Melo fans just chalked it up to the knicks sucking.

76人球迷：不完全是这样。人们只是不想看他的数据，因为他们认为（打出那样的数据）那是因为他在尼克斯。在过去四五年，甜瓜每一项数据都在平稳下滑，是真的每一项：真实投篮命中率、球员效率值、场均得分、场均篮板和场均助攻。只有三分命中率没下滑。除了这个，其他所有的数据在这个赛季前除了下降还是下降。而安东尼球迷把这些都归咎于尼克斯。

I really don't know how anyone thought they were getting Olympic Melo vs the guy who had just played a full season at an 18 PER on 53% TS on almost 30% USG. The writing was there, people just didn't want to believe it

我真的不理解竟然还有人觉得雷霆撸来的是奥运会模式的甜瓜。甜瓜在尼克斯的最后一个赛季PER是18，真实投篮命中率53%，使用率接近30%。这都是实打实的凶兆，人们只是不想去相信这些。

Edit: Take a look at this

编辑：（感兴趣的）看一下这个帖。

https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/73a6a8/young_sam_presti_just_officially_put_a_bow_on_one/dnowgi1/