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Knopha: 惬意却绝对热情

Elevator上海 2022-04-13



他如同夏末海风的化身:

He is the end-of-summer ocean breeze


扑面而来的惬意,却藏不住涌动的专注与热情

Serene, yet focused and passionate


闻声如其人

Just like his music








这一次跟我们聊天的是大家都熟悉的Knopha,他用充斥着90 年代美感的东方ambient音乐,徐徐地引领着国内外聆听者来到一个氛围音乐、地下舞曲、迥异声迹同时存在的岸边。

在中国本土厂牌Eating Music 发表了Ep 「Nothing Nil」,舍离了之前的house律动,取而代之的是神秘致幻的色彩。在制作音乐之余,Knopha 的另一身份是派对Beatween 的创办人之一,也是电台节目Beatween Radio的主理人,与好友一起分享音乐。


This time in conversation with us is Noah Li aka Knopha, who through his own take on 90s oriental ambient music, leads us to a novel horizon where dance, ambient and enigmatic soundscape coexist. 


His well-received EP ‘Nothing Nil’, released via Shanghai based label Eating Music, instead of the house groove he is previously known for, showcases an imaginative fourth world 3-tracker built on 90s inspired sound palette. Besides being a producer and DJ, Noah also co-manages club night Beatween and its podcast show Beatween Radio. 



能跟我们说说你在上海的音乐生涯是怎么开始的?来上海之前有参与过别的场景吗?

2014年,我第一次受邀在Wooozy Offline派对上放歌。然后我和朋友们创立了Beatween,并开始邀请上海的音乐人去我们在厦门的派对。之后,我在Push and Pull上发行了EP,并且开始在Beatween和上海的俱乐部里办更多的演出。

我在澳大利亚墨尔本生活学习了多年,直到我回到家搬到厦门后,才开始让自己dj的身份变得更加活跃。在我出国留学之前,我在广州与朋友们一起玩音乐。当时,广州的地下嘻哈场景发展的迅速,并在整个中国产生了深远的影响,但我没有特别深入的参与其中。

住在厦门是什么感觉?有很多人不知道你实际上不住在上海,有没有考虑过搬到这里?
 
厦门凉风习习,简单轻松。我们有一个亲密的社区和平静独立的生活方式。但我想我迟早会搬去上海。

扑面而来的厦门海岸凉风和美丽落日
 
对上海场景的看法?
 
上海拥有强劲的低音/新俱乐部场景,并且与全世界产生共鸣。这里的制作人,DJ和活动主理人不断地创造活动机会,推动上海的场景。我们的house/techno场景仍在跟随欧洲流行的东西。我希望看到更多的人,尤其是年轻人参与进来,并且带来新的想法。
 

上海与别的你熟悉的场景有什么不同?这里的场景有什么独特之处吗?

我认为这里缺乏沟通,相互理解和团结。我希望人们,以及组织可以互相帮助。 

关于独特性,我认为上海的舞者对地下俱乐部演奏的音乐类别非常开放。有些年轻人只想在夜里好好跳舞,有些则期待晚上的惊喜和怪异。我们有很多举办美好派对的潜力。 另一方面,我们有一个非常有趣的另类音乐产业正在迅速发展,而且主流唱片公司也对这个产业非常有兴趣。我很好奇未来几年它将如何改变上海的场景。
 

作为上海的派对主理人,你面临着哪些挑战?
 
我的挑战来源于:作为一名喜欢小众booking的音乐怪咖,效率低下的平面设计师,不善于社交又在朋友圈分享些无厘头的东西,以及,最重要的是-不住在上海!

 
在本地音乐场景中尊重或仰慕谁?
 
我特别欣赏SHCR,China Social Club,Daily Vinyl等在本地音乐社区的建设中付出了很多努力的工作人员。并且大部分的时候他们不求回报。

SHCR工作中的Katy和Difan

China Social Club的PCJ和Frau

 
现在在中国最喜欢的音乐人是?

Fishdoll,她像是中国的Four Tet。

怎么想到Knopha这个名字的?
 
我十几岁起有了Nova这个昵称,所以只是拼写不同。
 

在上海,你作为dj最难忘的一晚是?
 
是我给Medusa放歌的一晚。从音乐上讲,我放了一些不同于Medusa上通常会听到的音乐。我很高兴舞池的反应不错,而且舞池里的人由于我的音乐展开了爱的碰撞。

Medusa奇妙之夜

作为舞者呢?

作为舞者的话最享受的一晚是Beatween第一次邀请Mood Hut时,我在舞池上度过了非常愉快的时光。他们那天晚上演奏了一些非常迷人的音乐。


上海的场景是怎么塑造你的音乐的?
 
我在放歌的时候会尝试不同类型和风格的音乐。从我的经验来说,舞池非常期待音乐里情感和节奏的变化。一个灵动的曲库对于我们的人群来说非常有效。这样做的另一个原因是因为我可以俱乐部中播放大量出色的本地作品。一旦时机合适,我就会为播放这些曲目作铺垫。
 

怎么成为Elevator的驻场dj的?这段经历对于你的音乐有什么影响吗?
 
几年前,当我在Concrete and Grass音乐节上演奏The Tent时,我第一次遇见了Sam。我们的关系是从那时候开始建立的。在过去的3年里,在Elevator放歌教会了我很多东西,从只想放酷歌的新秀到学习如何与舞池交流。这是一个宝贵的机会,更重要的是,在Elevator的驻场经历帮助我更好地了解音乐在俱乐部里的效果。


Sam(Mau Mau) 和Knopha
 
你喜欢如何准备演出?
 
我仍在学习如何为演出做准备或者不做准备。我会早点进去俱乐部去感受里面的氛围和能量。我会祈祷cdj上的cue按钮是正常的,并且尽量放松。
 

能选出3首曲目让我们了解一下你多年来喜欢的音乐吗?(从早期影响到当前最爱?)
 
Dub poets - Black and White
Joe - Rut
村田有美 –Face to Face

你的品味非常广泛:我们听你放过ambient, disco, house, 和techno。一直是这样吗或者还是怎么发展的?是否有特定的时刻让你想要探索除了你现在在听的音乐之外的其他声音?
 
我大概只是喜欢好的音乐,一种类型的音乐引领着我去发掘别的类型。收听电台节目和mix也帮助了我打开更广泛的音乐领域。

比如最近我对许多new beat很感兴趣,因为有一次我发现了一首听起来像grime的歌曲。这种经历会让我想探索更多。

你在音乐道路上遇到的最大的挑战是什么
 
许多人以为我只放House音乐。

  
如果可以时光倒流,你会给刚开始做音乐的自己什么建议
 
多发行音乐。大胆与仰慕的人交谈。
 
 
怎么开始制作的?
 
在墨尔本念书的时候,我开始认真钻研做音乐。有段时间觉得自己挺差劲的,然后一直努力尝试,到后来离自己想要的结果越来越近,这使我很乐在其中
 
  
怎么决定你的作品是否完成?
 
永远不会觉得它真正的完成。我总觉得我的混音能再好一点,尤其听到别人的作品的时候。
 
 
你克服过的与制作有关的最大困难是什么?
  
我有些旋律的点子,但不知道该以什么音乐风格表达的时候。尤其是想创作舞曲的时候,许多想法已经被别人实现了。当有一帮人都在为一种风格做贡献的时候,是时候该想想自己能为它带来点什么特别的东西,哪怕只是一点点的新意。
  
你用什么来制作,有没有最喜欢的硬件/软件/设备?
 
我主要用Ableton Live 和一些硬件。我很喜欢我的Yamaha SY99, 它体积好大,好重,但是同样很强大,用它做pad 的音色就如丝般的顺滑。
 


能告诉我们你最近给Red Light Radio还有NTS录的mix背后的故事吗?
 
我一直非常喜欢Pender Street Steppers在NTS上的节目,我记得某次在墨尔本,于黄昏时段的林荫街道上开车听着其中一期。感觉非常棒。所以我就通过自己当时找到的一些音乐,想把同样的体验传达。




录制Red Light Radio 的事情则比较有趣,我本来是早上第一档节目(8-9am),最后调到了晚上最后一档(10-11pm)。我收到了Howie Lee的专辑promo版,就选中里面其中一首喜欢的歌,并围绕它准备了一期节目。我觉得非常特别可以播放一些引人进入冥想的、精神层面的音乐,并且包含了许多满足自我的作品。同时能透过窗外看见阿姆斯特丹某灯区熙熙攘攘的游客。那一刻有种被音乐保护不被外界玷污的感觉。

Knopha在Red Light Radio

如何平衡DJ,制作人,以及派对主理人这些角色?有没有更喜欢哪一个?现在更花时间在哪一个上?
 
我并不能平衡三者,所以我做得很烂。我不喜欢做派对推广,真的不适合我。DJ和举办派对的所有工作占用了我大部分的时间。虽然我们亏损严重,不过我非常享受每一场我们的派对。
 
 
你作为dj或者制作人得到过的最宝贵的意见是什么?
 
Bell Towers 说过,“你不可能满足所有人”
 

给Knopha宝贵意见的Bell Towers

 
五年之后你想看到自己成为怎样的艺术家?
 
我觉得还自己不算是个艺术家。我做音乐并且为国内自己喜欢的俱乐部提供背景音乐。我只想一直这样做,留下一些故事,让大家多年后都依然能想起来。
 
 
假设你有无限的预算,也能让逝去的音乐奇才重生,能告诉我们你在电梯办派对的梦幻阵容吗?
 
Olafur Eliasson负责灯光,坂本龙一演奏他『音乐图鉴』专辑的现场版,蔡国强负责烟雾机。

Eliasson在Tate Modern的大型声光电汇演


蔡国强在佛罗伦萨音乐节的烟雾器效果

你是一个很出色的平面设计师,做过的最喜欢的海报是哪张? 
 
有一次,我在北京招待放完歌,一位小哥上前和我说他很喜欢Beatween带来的艺人和Wolf Muller & Niklas Wandt的海报。原来这个男生竟然是Menslies的成员,Yenk。我一直非常想认识他和他的搭档PJ,他们为招待所做的设计有着非常特别的视觉风格并且让俱乐部的形象十分突出。
 


你的工作性质会需要经常与艺术家合作,有没有一些发生过的趣事可以和我们分享?
 
在Mr.Ho上次来厦门的时候,我们一起做了一会儿音乐。我觉得非常好玩,我们轮流上座操作Ableton 互相叠加想法做出一首曲子。
 
 
我们怎么在网上找到你?

Knopha 偶尔会在微博和instagram冒冒泡

@Knopha


Can you tell us about how you got involved in the scene in Shanghai?  Had you been DJing or involved in a scene before you started coming here? I was first invited to play at a Wooozy Offline party back in 2014. Then I founded Beatween with my friends, and we started to invite people from Shanghai to play at our party in Xiamen. Afterwards I released an ep on Push and Pull [Shelter-based grime night/label], and started doing more ambitious booking at clubs in Shanghai with Beatween.I lived and studied in Melbourne, Australia for years and only started to be more active as a DJ after I returned to China and moved to Xiamen. I was making beats and messing around with friends in Guangzhou before studying abroad. Back then underground hip hop in Guangzhou was growing fast and had a profound impact all over China, but I wasn’t heavily involved in that.

What is it like living in Xiamen?  Some people are surprised to know that you’re not actually based here – have you ever thought about moving to Shanghai? Xiamen is breezy, easy and chill. We have both an intimate community and peaceful isolated lifestyle. I think i will move to Shanghai sooner or later. Opinions on Shanghai’s scene Shanghai has a strong bass/new club scene, that is making waves around the world. There are producers, DJs, promoters constantly making things happen that push the scene to grow bigger and stronger. Our house/techno scene is still following what is cool and popular in Europe. I wish to see more people especially young people involved, bringing in new ideas.   From where you came from, or have been to, what are the biggest differences?  Is there anything that seems unique about the scene here?  I think is the lack of communications, mutual understanding and unity. I just wish people, crews, and organizations can help each other more. Regarding the uniqueness, I think in general punters are quite open to music that is played in underground clubs. Some young people just want to have a good dance on their night out, and some come for the surprise and weirdness. We have a potential crowd for making great parties. On the other hand, we have a very interesting alternative music industry that is growing massively fast, also mainstream labels are very keen on taking it over. I’d love to see how the scene is going to change in the next couple of years. What inspired Beatween? Xiamen inspired Beatween, its so boring.  
What are some challenges you have faced as a Shanghai promoter? Being a music nerd with niche bookings, an inefficient graphic designer, anti-social/crazy boring idiot on wechat moments, and most importantly – living outside of Shanghai!  Who do you respect or look up to in the local music community?  I appreciate crews like SHCR, China Social Club, Daily Vinyl and many others that have put in a lot of effort into the building the scene and community. It’s mostly a labor of love thing.   Who are your favorite artists right now in China?   Fishdoll, she’s the female version of Chinese Four Tet.   How did you come up with your alias -- Knopha?  I got this nick name Nova since I was a teenager, so it is just being spelled differently. What was your most memorable night in Shanghai behind the decks, and on the other side of the booth as a dancer? That would be the time I played for Medusa. Musically I went for a direction that was different than the usual sound of the party. I was happy that it worked out and it led to arguably some of the first public oral fun at Elevator. I had a really good time on the dance floor when Beatween first invited Mood Hut. They played some beautiful music that night.  (How) did the scene in Shanghai shape your music? I try to fit in different genres and styles when I’m playing, people expect changes in emotion and grooves as far as I can tell. Being dynamic works really well for our crowd, another reason would be to play out a lot of great local productions in the bass/club scene. I’d always work my way through those tracks if I could.   How and why did you start a residency at Elevator? Has it impacted your music / if so, how?  I met Sam for the first time when I played The Tent at Concrete and Grass festival some years ago. The relationship was built ever since. Playing at Elevator over the past 3 years had taught me many things. From being a rookie that just want to play cool tracks to learning how to handle the crowd well, it’s an invaluable opportunity. More importantly the experience helped me to understand better how music works in clubs.   How do you prepare for your gigs (physically, mentally, spiritually)?  I am still learning how to be prepared and unprepared for gigs. I think get to the club early, feel the vibe and energy really helps. Also just hope the cue buttons work and try to be as relax as possible.  Could you pick 3 tracks that gives us a sense of your preference in music over the years? (from early discoveries or influences, to a current favorite?) Dub poets - Black and WhiteJoe - Rut村田有美– Face to Face  Your taste runs really broad – we’ve heard you play from ambient to disco to house and slamming techno.  Was it always this way, or how did it develop?  Were there any specific moments that made you want to explore other sounds than you’d been listening to? Its just how I discovered music along the way I think. From experimental hip hop instrumentals to post dubstep days channeling influence from house and techno, one thing lead to another. Also radio and mixes played a big part of opening doors to wider range of music. I’m interested in a lot of new beat these days because one time I discovered a song that sounded similar to grime in a way. That kind of experience makes me want to explore more.  
What were the biggest challenges you faced on your musical journey? People think I only spin house music. If you could time travel and give yourself two pieces of advice when you were just starting out, what would they be?1. Put out more music. 2. Talk to your heroes. 
When/why/how did you decide to get into production
I started being serious about making music when I went to university in Melbourne. I thought I was bad for a while. Then as I worked harder and harder, and getting close to what I wanted to achieve, I found I really enjoyed making music. 
How do you decide when your productions are finished?   They’re never really finished. I always think the mix down can be better, especially when I hear other people’s work. What is the most difficult thing you have had to overcome when it comes to production? Sometimes I have melodic ideas, but I always struggle to find a musical direction. Especially when I try to write dance music, so many things have been done already. When a lot of people are contributing to a certain sound,you have to make things sound as unique as possible, even if just with a slight twist.   What do you use to produce? Do you have a favorite tool or piece of gear?  I mainly use Ableton Live and some hardware. I like my Yamaha SY99, it’s huge, heavy and powerful, the pads sounds so silky.Can you tell us about the ideas or sounds that went into these two recent mixes of yours – Red Light Radio and NTS with Pender Street Steppers?

The Pender Street Steppers show has been my favorite on NTS, I remember listening to it while driving through the leafy roads of Melbourne at dusk. That was something. So I just wanted to soundtrack that moment with music I found at the time.The Red Light show was a bit interesting, I was supposed to  play the first slot (8-9am) in the morning, but ended up playing last at night (10-11pm). I received Howie Lee’s promo album, and put together that show based around one song I really like from him. It was pretty special playing personal, meditative, spiritual music, while you can have a view of this busy touristy street of the red light zone in Amsterdam. At that moment I feel like music is protecting me from all the evil of the outside world. 
How do you balance the roles between a promoter, producer, and DJ?  Do you enjoy one over the others? Which role demands most of your time right now? I can’t balance myself among those roles, that’s why I’m so bad it. I don’t like being a promoter, its really not my thing. Djing and all the work for putting on a party have been taking up most of my time. Although financially our parties failed epically, I enjoyed each and every night we put together. What was the best advice you've received as a DJ or producer? Bell Towers once said to me, “You can’t satisfy everyone.” 
Where would you like to see yourself as an artist in 5 years? I wouldn’t consider myself an artist just yet. I make music and provide the soundtrack of my favourite clubs in China. I hope I can keep doing this and achieve something that people can talk about many many years later.
 Pick three artists for your dream line-up of a night at Elevator.  What's the time table?  Assume you have unlimited budget and booking powers, including reincarnating past talents to take the decks again.  Olafur Eliasson on the lights,Ryuichi Sakamoto plays live version of his Ongau Zukan album, Cai Guo Qiang on the smoke machine maybe.
What was your favorite flyer you have ever done? I don’t think any of them are that great actually. However, here is a story: A couple months ago, I played at Zhaodai. After finished my set, one guy came up to me and said he likes what Beatween does and particularly the flyer for Wolf Muller and Niklas Wandt. He turned out to be one of the guys behind Menslies, Yenk.I always wanted to meet him and his partner PJ,their works for Zhaodai has a strong aesthetic and made the club instantly recognizable. Collaboration is a big part of your life, any fun story you can share with us in that regard? I was making some music with Mr.Ho when he last visited Xiamen. It was really fun, we took turns at Ableton building a track in my studio at home.  How do we find you in the digital world?  Knopha is occasionally on weibo, Instagram @Knopha



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