TED英语演讲视频：我们需要谈谈不公正！（附视频+双语演讲稿）
演说者：Bryan Stevenson
演说题目：我们需要谈谈不公正！
Bryan没用任何图表和道具。为我们讲述了在花哨的惩戒上美国走的有点太远了，呼吁即使是罪犯也需要公正的对待。因为我们的生存和每一个人的生存都分不开。 我们在科技和设计上的前景，在娱乐和创造力上的眼光，必须与人性、慈善、和公正的远见相结合，往前看！
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Well this is a really extraordinary honor for me. I spend most of my time in jails, in prisons, on death row. I spend most of my time in very low-income communities in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness. And being here at TED and seeing the stimulation, hearing it, has been very, very energizing to me. And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here is that TED has an identity. And you can actually say things here that have impacts around the world. And sometimes when it comes through TED, it has meaning and power that it doesn't have when it doesn't.
很荣幸来到这里 我大多数时候都 在管教所，在监狱里，在死囚室中 大部分时间我在低收入的社区里工作 在充满绝望的地区，做前途暗淡的项目 今天来到TED 看到听到这些激动人心的演讲 给了我一针强心剂 在这短短的时间里，我注意到 TED有自己的定位 你可以看到这里发生的事情 影响全世界 有时当事情发生在TED的讲台上 比发生在别处 更有意义，更有影响
And I mention that because I think identity is really important. And we've had some fantastic presentations. And I think what we've learned is that, if you're a teacher your words can be meaningful, but if you're a compassionate teacher, they can be especially meaningful. If you're a doctor you can do some good things, but if you're a caring doctor you can do some other things. And so I want to talk about the power of identity. And I didn't learn about this actually practicing law and doing the work that I do. I actually learned about this from my grandmother.
我提起这个是因为我觉得自我定位很重要 我们已经听了一些精彩的演说 我们已经体会到 作为一个老师，你的话是有影响力的 如果你是个很慈善的老师 你的教导就格外意味深长 作为一个医生，你能够帮助人 如果你是个体恤病人的医生，你能帮助更多 所以我想讲讲定位的重要性 我不是从做律师 或者做其他项目学到怎样自我定位的 我其实是从我外婆那里学到的
I grew up in a house that was the traditional African-American home that was dominated by a matriarch, and that matriarch was my grandmother. She was tough, she was strong, she was powerful. She was the end of every argument in our family. She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family. She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved. Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840's. She was born in the 1880's and the experience of slavery very much shaped the way she saw the world.
我的家庭 是一个传统的黑人家庭 只有一个女家长 就是我的外婆 她很坚韧， 也很强壮 威风凛凛 家里有争执，她有决定权 不过很多事儿也是她挑起来的 她的父母曾是真正的黑奴 弗吉尼亚州19世纪40年代，她父母落草为奴 我外婆是十九世纪八十年代生的 这段父母被奴役的经历 决定了她看世界的角度
And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving. When I would see her as a little boy, she'd come up to me and she'd give me these hugs. And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe and then she'd let me go. And an hour or two later, if I saw her, she'd come over to me and she'd say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?" And if I said, "No," she'd assault me again, and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone. And she just had this quality that you always wanted to be near her. And the only challenge was that she had 10 children. My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids. And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her, it would be difficult to get her time and attention. My cousins would be running around everywhere.
我的外婆很强势，但她也很慈爱 当我是个小男孩时 每次见到她都拥抱我 她抱得那么紧，我都透不过气来 然后她才会放开我 一两个小时之后，当我再见她 她会过来问我：“还能感觉我的拥抱么？” 如果我说“感觉不到了”，她就再度出击 直到我说“感觉得到”，她才放开我 她就是有这个能力 让你老是想亲近她 唯一的挑战是她有十个儿女 我妈妈是十个里最年轻的 常常当我去和外婆亲近时 很难让她注意到我，有时间陪我 我的表兄妹们总是无处不在
And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old, waking up one morning, going into the living room, and all of my cousins were running around. And my grandmother was sitting across the room staring at me. And at first I thought we were playing a game. And I would look at her and I'd smile, but she was very serious. And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this, she got up and she came across the room and she took me by the hand and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk." And I remember this just like it happened yesterday. I never will forget it.
我记得，当我八九岁时的一次 我早上醒来，跑到客厅 所有的表兄妹都在 我外婆坐在房间的另一端 盯着我看 一开始我以为我们在玩游戏 我就看回去，对她笑笑 但我外婆是很严肃的 大概十五还是二十分钟之后 她站起来，穿过房间 牵住我的手 对我说：“过来，布莱恩，我们得谈谈。” 这就像是昨天才发生的一样 我永远忘不掉
She took me out back and she said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something, but you don't tell anybody what I tell you." I said, "Okay, Mama." She said, "Now you make sure you don't do that." I said, "Sure." Then she sat me down and she looked at me and she said, "I want you to know I've been watching you." And she said, "I think you're special." She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do." I will never forget it.
她把我带到一边说：“我想和你说些事， 你不许和任何人说。” 我答应了：“好的，姥姥。” 她说：“保证绝不说出去。”我回答：“保证。” 然后我们坐下，她看着我 说：“我想让你知道 我观察你一段时间了。” 接着她说：“你是个特别的孩子。” 她说：“我确信你是无所不能的。” 这我永远不会忘记
And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan." I said, "Okay, Mama." She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me is that you'll always love your mom." She said, "That's my baby girl, and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her." Well I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that." Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me is that you'll always do the right thing even when the right thing is the hard thing." And I thought about it and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that." Then finally she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me is that you'll never drink alcohol." (Laughter) Well I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
接着她说：“我想让你向我保证三件事。” 我说：“好的姥姥。” 她说：“第一，我想让你保证 你会永远爱你的妈妈。” 她说：“你妈妈是我的心头肉， 你得向我保证你会永远爱护她。” 我很爱我妈妈，我说：“好，姥姥，我会。” 接着她说：“第二件事，是你要答应我 你会永远走正路 即使走正路是很难的选择。” 我想了想回答：“好的姥姥，我会的。” 最后她说：“第三件事，我要你保证 你永不喝酒。” （笑声） 我才九岁，我答应：“好，姥姥，我保证。”
I grew up in the country in the rural South, and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger. When I was about 14 or 15, one day my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer -- I don't know where he got it -- and he grabbed me and my sister and we went out in the woods. And we were kind of just out there doing the stuff we crazily did. And he had a sip of this beer and he gave some to my sister and she had some, and they offered it to me. I said, "No, no, no. That's okay. You all go ahead. I'm not going to have any beer." My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do. I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer." I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead. Y'all go ahead." And then my brother started staring at me. He said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer." Then he looked at me real hard and he said, "Oh, I hope you're not still hung up on that conversation Mama had with you." (Laughter) I said, "Well, what are you talking about?" He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special." (Laughter) I was devastated.
我在南部的乡下长大 我有个哥哥大我一岁，还有个妹妹小我一岁 当我十四五岁时 一天我哥哥带回到家半打啤酒—— 我都不知道他怎么弄到的—— 他带上我和我妹妹，跑到树林里 一通疯玩疯跑 他喝了一口啤酒，递给我妹妹，她也喝了 然后他们递给了我 我说：“我不要。没事，你们喝。我不喝。” 我哥哥说：“来嘛，我们今个儿都喝。你老是和我们一条阵线的。 我喝了点，妹妹也喝了点，你来些。” 我说：“不，我不想喝。你们喝你们喝。” 我哥哥盯住我 问：“你有什么毛病？喝一点。” 接着他细细打量了我一会，问我： “噢，你不会还想着 姥姥要你保证的事吧。” （笑声） 我说：“你在说什么呀？” 他说：“姥姥和每个外孙都说他很特别。” （笑声） 我这个伤心呀
And I'm going to admit something to you. I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't. I know this might be broadcast broadly. But I'm 52 years old, and I'm going to admit to you that I've never had a drop of alcohol. (Applause) I don't say that because I think that's virtuous; I say that because there is power in identity. When we create the right kind of identity, we can say things to the world around us that they don't actually believe makes sense. We can get them to do things that they don't think they can do. When I thought about my grandmother, of course she would think all her grandkids were special. My grandfather was in prison during prohibition. My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases. And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.
现在我想向大家坦白一件事 可能不该在这里说 因为这个演讲是会到处播的 我今年五十二了 我要向大家承认 我从来没有喝过一滴酒 （掌声） 这不是为了显派我多有道德 是为了说明自我定位的威力 当我们决定了正确的定位 我们就可以让全世界接受 他们本来想不到的事情 我们能让世界做 他们本来觉得做不到的事情 当我想到我的外婆 她当然觉得每个外孙都很特别 我的外公因为违了禁在蹲监狱 我不止一个舅舅死与和酗酒有关的疾病 这些原则都是我外婆相信我们应该坚持的
Well I've been trying to say something about our criminal justice system. This country is very different today than it was 40 years ago. In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons. Today, there are 2.3 million. The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. We have seven million people on probation and parole. And mass incarceration, in my judgment, has fundamentally changed our world. In poor communities, in communities of color there is this despair, there is this hopelessness, that is being shaped by these outcomes. One out of three black men between the ages of 18 and 30 is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole. In urban communities across this country -- Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington -- 50 to 60 percent of all young men of color are in jail or prison or on probation or parole.
我想向大家介绍的 是我们刑事执法系统 和四十年前比 这个国家变了很多 在1972年，监狱里只有三十万人 今天，有两百三十万 今天美国是世界上 服刑人口比例最高的国家 我们有七百万人在缓刑期和假释期 在我看来，这样的大量判刑 完全改变了我们的世界 在贫穷的社区里，在有色人种社区里 充满了绝望 这样的绝望 是由这些改变带来的 三分之一的黑人男性 十八岁到三十岁之间的 不是在监狱里，就是在缓刑期或者假释期 在全国各处的城市社区里—— 洛杉矶，费城，巴尔的摩，华盛顿—— 百分之五十到六十的有色人种的年轻人 不是在监狱里，就是在缓刑期或者假释期
Our system isn't just being shaped in these ways that seem to be distorting around race, they're also distorted by poverty. We have a system of justice in this country that treats you much better if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent. Wealth, not culpability, shapes outcomes. And yet, we seem to be very comfortable. The politics of fear and anger have made us believe that these are problems that are not our problems. We've been disconnected.
我们的司法系统不仅是改变了 而是围绕着种族问题扭曲了 也围绕着贫困扭曲了 这个国家的司法系统 会对你特殊照顾 如果你是有罪的富人而不是无辜的穷人的话 财富，而不是过失本身 决定了最终结果 可是，我们还挺自在的呢 玩弄恐惧和愤怒的政治手腕 说服了我们 事不关己 高高挂起
It's interesting to me. We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work. My state of Alabama, like a number of states, actually permanently disenfranchises you if you have a criminal conviction. Right now in Alabama 34 percent of the black male population has permanently lost the right to vote. We're actually projecting in another 10 years the level of disenfranchisement will be as high as it's been since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act. And there is this stunning silence.
我对这个很感兴趣 我们日常工作能看一些很有意思的变革 我所在的阿拉巴马州，像很多其他州一样 如果你被判有罪 就终身剥夺你的政治权力 现在在阿拉巴马州 百分之三十四的黑人男性 永远失去了投票权 我们向前看十年 这个剥夺政治权利的比例 将和投票权法案通过之前 一样的高 可是没人提半个字
I represent children. A lot of my clients are very young. The United States is the only country in the world where we sentence 13-year-old children to die in prison. We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country. And we're actually doing some litigation. The only country in the world.
我代表孩子们上庭 很多我的被告都很年轻 美国是世界上唯一能将 十三岁的孩子 判成终身监禁的国家 我国对孩子判终身监禁，还不得假释 我们其实现在就在帮这些人上诉 世界上独一份
I represent people on death row. It's interesting, this question of the death penalty. In many ways, we've been taught to think that the real question is, do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed? And that's a very sensible question. But there's another way of thinking about where we are in our identity. The other way of thinking about it is not, do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit, but do we deserve to kill? I mean, it's fascinating.
我也代理死刑犯的官司 死刑这件事很发人深省 我们从各种渠道了解到 （死刑的）根本问题是 人该不该为他们犯的罪行偿命 这是个非常合理的问题 但是另一方面 问题是我们的自我定位 另一个想问题的方式 不是人们该不该为罪行偿命 而是我们配不配杀他们 我是说，这个问题非常震撼
Death penalty in America is defined by error. For every nine people who have been executed, we've actually identified one innocent person who's been exonerated and released from death row. A kind of astonishing error rate -- one out of nine people innocent. I mean, it's fascinating. In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes if for every nine planes that took off one would crash. But somehow we can insulate ourselves from this problem. It's not our problem. It's not our burden. It's not our struggle.
死刑在美国是常有差错的 每九个被判死刑的人 有一个后来会被证明无罪 被免死刑 这种错误率—— 九分之一的人完全无辜 我得说，非常震撼 学航空的人知道，如果每九架飞机里 会有一架出事故 我们肯定是不会让这玩意儿载人飞的 但是莫名其妙地我们就能忽视死刑的问题 因为这不是我们自身的问题 这不是我们自身的麻烦 这不是我们自身的挣扎
I talk a lot about these issues. I talk about race and this question of whether we deserve to kill. And it's interesting, when I teach my students about African-American history, I tell them about slavery. I tell them about terrorism, the era that began at the end of reconstruction that went on to World War II. We don't really know very much about it. But for African-Americans in this country, that was an era defined by terror. In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched. They had to worry about being bombed. It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives. And these older people come up to me now and they say, "Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches, you tell people to stop saying we're dealing with terrorism for the first time in our nation's history after 9/11." They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that." And that era of terrorism, of course, was followed by segregation and decades of racial subordination and apartheid.
我谈了很多问题 种族，还有 我们配不配执行死刑 这很发人深省。当我教美国黑人历史的时候 我和学生讲奴隶制 和他们讲恐怖主义 那个始于大复兴晚期 一直到二战时期的时代 我们并不真的了解那段历史 但是对于这个国家的黑人来说 那是个白色恐怖时代 在很多社区，人们害怕随时会被私刑处死 人们担心随时会被炸弹袭击 那个白色恐怖时代，改变了他们的生活 那时的人现在上了年纪，来和我说 “史蒂文森先生，你到处演讲 你得告诉大家 别说什么911以后是我们美国有史以来 第一次对付恐怖主义。” 他们让我说：“我们就是在恐怖里长大的。” 那个恐怖主义的时代，当然了 最后演变成了无法逾越的鸿沟 数十年的种族歧视 和种族隔离
And yet, we have in this country this dynamic where we really don't like to talk about our problems. We don't like to talk about our history. And because of that, we really haven't understood what it's meant to do the things we've done historically. We're constantly running into each other. We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts. We have a hard time talking about race, and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves to a process of truth and reconciliation. In South Africa, people understood that we couldn't overcome apartheid without a commitment to truth and reconciliation. In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment, but in this country we haven't done that.
然而，我们这个国家 不喜欢讨论存在的问题 我们不喜欢讨论历史 正因如此，我们不能真正理解 我们有史以来做了什么 我们不停地产生冲突 不停地制造紧张气氛 我们没法讨论种族问题 我相信是因为我们不愿意正视 一系列的事实，不愿意达成和解 在南非，人们知道 我们不能忘记种族隔离 除非我们诚实面对，达成和解 在卢旺达，即使种族灭绝后，人们还是正视了 但是在美国我们不愿意这么干
I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty. It was fascinating because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation and said, "Well you know it's deeply troubling to hear what you're talking about." He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany. And of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany." And the room got very quiet, and this woman said, "There's no way, with our history, we could ever engage in the systematic killing of human beings. It would be unconscionable for us to, in an intentional and deliberate way, set about executing people." And I thought about that. What would it feel like to be living in a world where the nation state of Germany was executing people, especially if they were disproportionately Jewish? I couldn't bear it. It would be unconscionable.
我也在德国谈过死刑的问题 结果很绝妙 因为在讲谈后有个学者站起来 说：“你要知道， 听你谈这个很痛心。” 她说：“我们德国没有死刑。 当然了，我们德国永远也不可能有死刑。” 全场肃静 这位女士说： “因为我们的历史， 我们永不可能决定 有系统地杀人。 公开化且下意识地 执行死刑，对我们来说 是良心上无法接受的 我思考了这个问题 如果我整天 都看着德国人杀人 毫无道理地屠杀犹太人 我会有什么感受？ 我无法忍受 那真是太不合理了
And yet, in this country, in the states of the Old South, we execute people -- where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty if the victim is white than if the victim is black, 22 times more likely to get it if the defendant is black and the victim is white -- in the very states where there are buried in the ground the bodies of people who were lynched. And yet, there is this disconnect.
但是，在我们这个国家 在南方各州 我们真的在屠杀—— 当仅仅因为受害人是白人而不是黑人 你被判死刑的机率上升十倍时 当仅仅因为被告是黑人而不是白人 你被判死刑的机率上升二十一倍时—— 在这些州，到处埋着 被私刑处死的人 可是，我们还是漠不关心
Well I believe that our identity is at risk. That when we actually don't care about these difficult things, the positive and wonderful things are nonetheless implicated. We love innovation. We love technology. We love creativity. We love entertainment. But ultimately, those realities are shadowed by suffering, abuse, degradation, marginalization. And for me, it becomes necessary to integrate the two. Because ultimately we are talking about a need to be more hopeful, more committed, more dedicated to the basic challenges of living in a complex world. And for me that means spending time thinking and talking about the poor, the disadvantaged, those who will never get to TED. But thinking about them in a way that is integrated in our own lives.
我相信这说明我们有定位危机 当我们对这些棘手的问题 置之不顾时 我们却仍旧对那些正面的好事儿 一如既往地关心 我们爱极了革新 我们爱技术，我们爱创造 我们爱娱乐 但是最终 这些好的现实 都被痛苦煎熬， 滥用职权，剥夺人权 边缘化，蒙上了阴影 对于我来说两者合一 是必要的 因为最终我们谈的 是怎么更有希望 更有保障，更有贡献 来应付生活在这个复杂社会中的种种挑战 对于我来说那需要 花时间思考和讨论 穷人阶层，弱势群体 那些永远也没机会来TED的人 不过想着他们其实在某种意义上 是把他们融合进我们的生活里
You know ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen. We do. As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are. Innovation, creativity, development comes not from the ideas in our mind alone. They come from the ideas in our mind that are also fueled by some conviction in our heart. And it's that mind-heart connection that I believe compels us to not just be attentive to all the bright and dazzly things, but also the dark and difficult things. Vaclav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this. He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression, we wanted all kinds of things, but mostly what we needed was hope, an orientation of the spirit, a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places and be a witness."
要知道最终，我们得相信那些没亲眼见的事 我们不得不。作为理智的社会，这么聪明的社会 革新，创造 发展，并不仅仅 在我们脑子里空想出来的 它们是从我们脑子里的智慧 和我们心里的信念 相结合的产物 这个灵智合一 我相信会驱使我们 不仅仅是对那些 光明的事情更上心 同时对那些黑暗面和棘手的事情也是一样 韦克拉乌·哈韦尔，这位捷克的杰出领导人，谈过这个问题 他说：“当我们在东欧解决强制压迫的问题时 我们希望能成就很多 但是最重要的，我们要一个希望 一个心灵的指向 一种不惮于体会绝望的态度 以及为史留证的意愿。”
Well that orientation of the spirit is very much at the core of what I believe even TED communities have to be engaged in. There is no disconnect around technology and design that will allow us to be fully human until we pay attention to suffering, to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice. Now I will warn you that this kind of identity is a much more challenging identity than ones that don't pay attention to this. It will get to you.
这个心灵的指向 就是我的核心信念 我们的TED社会 也要参与进来 这里不应有任何东西把 高新的科技和完美的设计 和我们的人性间隔开来 只要我们还能注意到痛苦 注意到贫穷，制约，不公，和冤屈 我想提醒大家 这样的定位 是很有挑战性的 比起那些漠不关心的定位来说 它会影响你
I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer, of meeting Rosa Parks. And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then, and she would get together with two of her dearest friends, these older women, Johnnie Carr who was the organizer of the Montgomery bus boycott -- amazing African-American woman -- and Virginia Durr, a white woman, whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King. And these women would get together and just talk.
当我是个年轻律师，我有幸见到帕克斯夫人 帕克斯夫人曾时不时会到蒙哥马利 每次她都会和两个好友会面 两位上了年纪的女性 姜妮·卡尔，她是蒙哥马利 公车抵制运动的组织者—— 非常出色的黑人女性—— 还有弗吉尼亚·杜尔，一位白人女性 她丈夫克利福德·杜尔是马丁·路德·金的律师 这些女士们经常聚在一起讨论问题
And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me, and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town. We're going to get together and talk. Do you want to come over and listen?" And I'd say, "Yes, Ma'am, I do." And she'd say, "Well what are you going to do when you get here?" I said, "I'm going to listen." And I'd go over there and I would, I would just listen. It would be so energizing and so empowering.
有时卡尔夫人会给我打电话 问我：“帕克斯夫人回来了，我们要聚聚。 你愿不愿意来听我们谈话？” 我会说：“当然，夫人，我愿意。” 她会问：“你来这里具体干什么呀？” 我会说：“我就想听听。” 然后我会过去，只是倾听 这些聚会总是非常激动和鼓舞人心的
And one time I was over there listening to these women talk, and after a couple of hours Ms. Parks turned to me and she said, "Now Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is. Tell me what you're trying to do." And I began giving her my rap. I said, "Well we're trying to challenge injustice. We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted. We're trying to confront bias and discrimination in the administration of criminal justice. We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children. We're trying to do something about the death penalty. We're trying to reduce the prison population. We're trying to end mass incarceration."
有一次我在那里听她们谈话 几小时后帕克斯夫人问我 她问：“布莱恩，和我讲讲你的平等司法倡议。 和我讲讲你打算做什么。” 我就开始大讲特讲 我说：“我们想向不公正的待遇提出挑战。 我们想帮那些被误判了刑的人。 我们想和在刑法制度里的 偏见和歧视做对抗。 给孩子被判终身无法假释的制度给终结掉。 我们想为死刑制度做些改变。 我们想减少监狱人口。 我们还想杜绝过度泛滥的监禁。”
I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm." She said, "That's going to make you tired, tired, tired." (Laughter) And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face, she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."
我做了一个全本无删减的演讲，当我结束时，她盯着我 说：“别别别。” 她说：“这些会让你很累，很累，很累的。” （笑声） 这时卡尔夫人凑过来，她把手放在我脸边说： “这就是为什么你要很勇敢很勇敢很勇敢。”
And I actually believe that the TED community needs to be more courageous. We need to find ways to embrace these challenges, these problems, the suffering. Because ultimately, our humanity depends on everyone's humanity. I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do. It's just taught me very simple things. I've come to understand and to believe that each of us is more than the worst thing we've ever done. I believe that for every person on the planet. I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar. I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them, they're not just a thief. I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer. And because of that there's this basic human dignity that must be respected by law. I also believe that in many parts of this country, and certainly in many parts of this globe, that the opposite of poverty is not wealth. I don't believe that. I actually think, in too many places, the opposite of poverty is justice.
我确信TED这个社会 需要更有胆量些 我们需要找到出路 来面对这些挑战 这些问题，这些痛苦 因为最终，我们的整体的人性取决于 每个人的人性 在我的工作中 我学到了非常简单的原则 我开始理解，开始相信 我们每一个人 都不会被我们最坏的一面所定义 我相信，对于这个星球上的每一个人 如果他撒了个谎，并不说明他就是个骗子 如果他拿了不属于他的东西 并不说明他就是个惯偷 甚至你杀了人，并不说明你就是个冷血杀手 因为我相信人类有基本的尊严 法律必须尊重它 我也相信 在我们国家的很多地方 当然甚至这个世界的很多地方 贫穷的反面，不是富裕 我不相信这个 我认为，在很多很多地方 贫穷的反面，是公正
And finally, I believe that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic and so beautiful and so inspiring and so stimulating, we will ultimately not be judged by our technology, we won't be judged by our design, we won't be judged by our intellect and reason. Ultimately, you judge the character of a society, not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged, but by how they treat the poor, the condemned, the incarcerated. Because it's in that nexus that we actually begin to understand truly profound things about who we are.
最后，我相信 尽管（我们的科技和设计）很有声色 很美妙，很鼓动人心 也很刺激 但我们本身最终不会被科技所评价 也不会被设计所衡量 我们也不会被智慧和哲学来打分 最终，人们会评价我们这个社会 不是根据我们怎么款待富人，有特权的人 而是根据我们怎么对待穷人 被谴责的人，被囚禁的人 因为正是在这个合流点 我们真正地开始对于我们是什么样的人 有了深入的理解
I sometimes get out of balance. I'll end with this story. I sometimes push too hard. I do get tired, as we all do. Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking in ways that are important. And I've been representing these kids who have been sentenced to do these very harsh sentences. And I go to the jail and I see my client who's 13 and 14, and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult. I start thinking, well, how did that happen? How can a judge turn you into something that you're not? And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.
我常失去平衡。我想用个故事结束我的演讲 我有时工作太多 很累，就像大家每个人一样 有时这些想法太多而思考跟不上 结果是很严重的 我曾经为这些孩子们辩护 他们被判了很重的刑 我去管教所，看见我的被告都是十三四岁 他们被说成是成年人，作为成年人对待 我开始想，到底是怎么一回事？ 一个法官，怎么能够把一个人 判定成一个不同的人？ 这个法官说他是成年人，但我只看见一个孩子
And I was up too late one night and I starting thinking, well gosh, if the judge can turn you into something that you're not, the judge must have magic power. Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power. You should ask for some of that. And because I was up too late, wasn't thinking real straight, I started working on a motion. And I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor black kid. And I started working on this motion, and the head of the motion was: "Motion to try my poor, 14-year-old black male client like a privileged, white 75-year-old corporate executive."
一天晚上我彻夜难眠，不止地想 天哪，如果法官能把你写成另一个人 这个法官肯定有魔法 对了，布莱恩，这个法官有魔法 你可得学着点 因为我睡得太晚，脑子不清楚 我开始做一个议案 我有个被告，十四岁，一个黑人小孩子 我开始做他的辩护 标题是：“提案：将我的 十四岁的穷黑孩子 想成一个七十五岁的特级 白人企业高管。”
And I put in my motion that there was prosecutorial misconduct and police misconduct and judicial misconduct. There was a crazy line in there about how there's no conduct in this county, it's all misconduct. And the next morning, I woke up and I thought, now did I dream that crazy motion, or did I actually write it? And to my horror, not only had I written it, but I had sent it to court.
在这个提案里 我说检察院，警察局和法庭都处理不当 说这个法院没有合情合法这一说之类的疯话 全是故意乱判 第二天早上我醒来回想，我是做了个梦呢 还是真的写了这个提案？ 恐怖的是，不光我真写了 我还寄给法院了
A couple months went by, and I had just forgotten all about it. And I finally decided, oh gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case. And I got into my car and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed. And I got in my car and I went to this courthouse. And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful. And I finally got out of the car and I started walking up to the courthouse.
几个月过去了 我全忘了有这么回事 最后我决定 天哪，我得上庭去做这个案子 我跳上车 觉得很紧张——非常紧张 我上车开到法庭 我在想，这将会是场硬仗，会很痛苦 最后我终于钻出车子，开始往法庭走
And as I was walking up the steps of this courthouse, there was an older black man who was the janitor in this courthouse. When this man saw me, he came over to me and he said, "Who are you?" I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir." And this man came over to me and he hugged me. And he whispered in my ear. He said, "I'm so proud of you." And I have to tell you, it was energizing. It connected deeply with something in me about identity, about the capacity of every person to contribute to a community, to a perspective that is hopeful.
当我上台阶时 有个上了年纪的黑人老伯，法院的清洁工 他看见我，跑来说 他问：“你是谁？” 我说：“我是律师。”他说：“你，是律师？”我说：“是的。先生。” 这个老伯凑过来 给了我一个拥抱 他悄悄在我耳边说 他说：“我真为你骄傲。” 我得和大家承认 这可给了我一针强心剂 他的话提醒了我心深处 我的自我定位 提醒了我每个人都应该 对社会，对更好的前景做出的贡献
Well I went into the courtroom. And as soon as I walked inside, the judge saw me coming in. He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?" I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing. And people started coming in because they were just outraged. I had written these crazy things. And police officers were coming in and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers. And before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people angry that we were talking about race, that we were talking about poverty, that we were talking about inequality.
所以我跑到法庭里 我一走进去，法官看见我就说： “史蒂文森先生，是你写了这个疯案么？” 我说：“是先生，是我写的。”我们开始争论 人们陆续跑进来，因为大家都愤怒了 我的确写了不少挺够劲的事情 警察也进来了 助理检察官也进来了，书记员也进来了 我还没回过神来，整个法庭站满了人 全很愤怒，因为我们在谈种族问题 我们在谈贫穷 我们在谈不平等待遇
And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth. And he kept looking through the window, and he could hear all of this holler. He kept pacing back and forth. And finally, this older black man with this very worried look on his face came into the courtroom and sat down behind me, almost at counsel table. About 10 minutes later the judge said we would take a break. And during the break there was a deputy sheriff who was offended that the janitor had come into court. And this deputy jumped up and he ran over to this older black man. He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?" And this older black man stood up and he looked at that deputy and he looked at me and he said, "I came into this courtroom to tell this young man, keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."
我眼角瞟到那个清洁工，在外面走来走去 不断向里张望，他也都能听到人们的抱怨 他就这样来回来去地走 最后，这个黑人老伯进来了 一脸担心地坐在我后面 几乎顶到了辩护台 十分钟后，法官提议休息一下 休息期间，一个副警长觉得清洁工进法庭 有失面子 这个副警长跳起来，向这个老伯冲过去 说：“吉米，你来法庭里干什么？” 这个老黑人站起来 看看这个副警长，看看我 他说：“我进来 是想告诉这个年轻人 往前看，往好了看，挺住。”
I've come to TED because I believe that many of you understand that the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice. That we cannot be full evolved human beings until we care about human rights and basic dignity. That all of our survival is tied to the survival of everyone. That our visions of technology and design and entertainment and creativity have to be married with visions of humanity, compassion and justice. And more than anything, for those of you who share that, I've simply come to tell you to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.Thank you very much.
我今天来TED 是因为我相信这里很多人都明白 这个世界的道德的弧线尽管很长 但是永远向着公正的一边倾斜 在我们开始关心人权和尊严之前 我们无法真正完成进化 我们的生存 和每一个人的生存都分不开 我们在科技和设计上的前景 在娱乐和创造力上的眼光 必须与人性，慈善，和公正的远见 相结合 最重要的是 对于每个执着此见的人 我只想和你说 往前看，往好了看，挺住。谢谢大家。
Chris Anderson: So you heard and saw an obvious desire by this audience, this community, to help you on your way and to do something on this issue. Other than writing a check, what could we do?
克里斯·安德森：你应该听到看到 这些听众，这个群体 想帮你，想做贡献的意愿了 除了给你写支票 我们还能做什么？
BS: Well there are opportunities all around us. If you live in the state of California, for example, there's a referendum coming up this spring where actually there's going to be an effort to redirect some of the money we spend on the politics of punishment. For example, here in California we're going to spend one billion dollars on the death penalty in the next five years -- one billion dollars. And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases don't result in arrest. 56 percent of all rape cases don't result. So there's an opportunity to change that. And this referendum would propose having those dollars go to law enforcement and safety. And I think that opportunity exists all around us.
布莱恩：有很多机会 比如，如果你在加州住 今年春天有个公投 将是个很大的工夫 关于重新分配我们在惩戒人上花的钱 比如，在加州 在未来五年内 我们将花掉一亿美元—— 一亿呀 同时，百分之四十六的凶杀案 都没有下落 百分之五十六的强奸案，查不出来 这个公投是个改变现状的机会 这个公投将提出把这些钱 花在执法和保安上 我认为这个机会我们能帮忙
CA: There's been this huge decline in crime in America over the last three decades. And part of the narrative of that is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates. What would you say to someone who believed that?
克瑞斯：在近三十年 美国的犯罪率有个大下降 有人说部分原因是 和大幅上升的监禁率有关 你对持这个说法的人会怎么讲？
BS: Well actually the violent crime rate has remained relatively stable. The great increase in mass incarceration in this country wasn't really in violent crime categories. It was this misguided war on drugs. That's where the dramatic increases have come in our prison population. And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment. And so we have three strikes laws that put people in prison forever for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes, rather than making them give those resources back to the people who they victimized. I believe we need to do more to help people who are victimized by crime, not do less. And I think our current punishment philosophy does nothing for no one. And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.
布莱恩：其实犯罪率 几乎没怎么变 这个国家上升的监禁率 并不是在暴力犯罪这一类里的 而是由毒品的滥用所导致的 这才是我们监狱人口 上升的主要原因 我们在花哨的惩戒上走得有点太远了 同时我们有三击出局的规定 能把一些人永久监禁起来 只是因为偷了辆自行车，或者一点点财物 我们并不给他们机会对受害人 作出补偿 我相信我们需要给犯罪的人更多帮助 而不是剥夺他们仅有的 我想现今的刑法哲学 对谁也没有利 我认为这个大方向应该改变
CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here. You're an inspiring person. Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.
克里斯：布莱恩，你今天震了大家一把 你真是很个能鼓舞人心的家伙 非常感谢你来TED。谢谢
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