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为什么无法排除2020选举舞弊了?一位MIT、UNC校友的看法

鲍勃·萨顿 琥珀译 陌上美国 2023-06-06
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Bob Sutton(鲍勃·萨顿)先生是小编在MFSA(参看前文🔗)结识的朋友。萨顿先生本科毕业于MIT,并从UNC医学院和波士顿音乐学院同时获得高等教育学位。他从事咨询业高级顾问,也是国家级著名乐队的成员,并且多次为全美最高级别的棒球联盟大赛独唱国歌。经萨顿先生授权,陌上获得翻译和独家发布包括此文在内的其几百篇文章的资格。


我们又多了一位说英文的作者,庆祝,撒花。



中文翻译
2022年9月(回复参与大选安全问题讨论的人)

涉及2020年大选的任何讨论,集中在纠结“盗窃”一词其实是错过了重点。为什么?因为“(选举)盗窃”的定义往往局限在,发生一定数量的欺诈,导致一定数量的州中的一定量的舞弊选票。

如果实际上,合法选票带来某个结果,而作弊行为增加了X份拜登的票数,并减少了Y份川普的票数,无论结果是否足以改变选举,即是否足以给拜登带来“胜利”,我们都应该严肃地对待选票作弊的问题。(换句话说)是否发生了作弊,比是否有足够多的作弊导致选举结果改变更重要。

我不了解参与这次讨论的其他人的想法,但是在2020年大选后的12月和次年的1月,我分别听了五个州(宾州PA,威斯康星州WI,乔治亚州GA,密西根州MI和亚利桑那州AZ)累积40个小时的听证会,每个州长达约八个小时。

我听的是这些州立法机关委员会的公开听证会。每个证人都有大约5-10分钟的讲话,一起有很多。尽管当时对口头证词没有宣誓的程序要求,但是他们都在之后提交了有宣誓(杜绝伪证)效力的文件证明。许多人了解的也是这些宣誓过的证词。

情况非常吓人。证人主要来自选举义工和投票站点的监票员,大多数证词表明:
存在大量选票的猫腻;
本身已经被计算过的选票又被重新处理;
成堆的邮寄选票,都大量缺失邮寄选票本该常见的折痕;
很多选票只填写了投哪个总统(却没有填其他次级选举);
不少选票是机器填写的;
这些州都出现突然的停止计票(但计数却又在没有监督情况下重启)
......
您该明白情况了。

如果有美国的任何法院认同这些证词,那么选举结果都将被推翻。现实却是,没有一家法院愿意听取这些证据。这已经足够使我们许多人对2022年选举是否会有类似的问题产生担忧了,更不用说2024年了。

能发生第一次,就可能再如法炮制,反正你懂这意思。

那么到底情况是否足以“窃取”大选结果?当然无法排除这个可能性。作弊发生过了,就有再次发生的可能。而左派树了个稻草人靶子,把问题切换成大选是否被“被盗”,却回避了明显的现实问题 - 确实发生了惊人的选票作弊行为。

现在只能寄希望从州一级层面入手,预防重演。指望立法机关执行宪法确定的法规,否则各城市将继续操作无底线的舞弊。

(补充讨论)

当这五个州(宾州PA,威斯康星州WI,乔治亚州GA,密西根州MI和亚利桑那州AZ)- 他们都是怪异地在深夜停止点票的州 - 举行听证会的同时,许多人也同时在努力让法院就此举行正式听证。

但是,当时没有一个法院愿意向任何实体机构授予“standing(立项权)”-即授予进入法律诉讼许可的权利。从而,没有任何地方,包括所有这些人的证词,进入到法官听取的环节。

显然,左派做了一些非常奇怪的事情来试图解决选举,他们可能已经成功了。情况很荒谬,乔·拜登(Joe Biden)一直呆在地下室而不是积极竞选,却获得了8100万票。但是需要通过法庭仲裁选举和舞弊行为,而这一步却根本没有实现过。


编者后记:事实上Bob在大选前有写过对于选举安全的看法,而一些事情,却恰如他担忧的那样发生了。有兴趣的请看他2020年8月份的此博文,对应全文附在文章后半部分。

https://uberthoughtsusa.blogspot.com/2020/08/visiting-column-48-how-can-we-trust.html

经常遇到一些说法, 只有“没受过教育、极端分子”才认为2020年美国大选存在严重的安全问题。那么,此文作者代表一种有过良好教养、教育和思辨能力的美国人,对于这个国家面临的挑战的担忧和深度思考挖掘。希望有兼听则明精神的人,能多听取这类声音。

相关阅读:🔗哈佛川黑发来的纪录片:2千骡子与“美国历史上最安全的选举”



English

In any discussion of the 2020 election, it is critical to remove the word "stolen." Why? Because the election was only "stolen" if a specific amount of fraud resulted in a specific number of fraudulent ballots in a specific number of states. 

If the actual, legal balloting would have resulted in a certain result, and the fraud added X number of Biden votes and subtracted Y number of Trump votes, but not enough to result in Biden "winning", we should be equally exercised at there being fraud, whether or not it was enough to swing the election. That it may have happened to be enough to swing it, is actually less important than the fact that there was fraud.

I don't know about any of my colleagues here, but I watched 40 hours of testimony, about eight hours each in five states (PA, WI, GA, MI and AZ) in December and January after the election. The venues were public hearings of committees of the state's Legislatures. The witnesses each had about 5-10 minutes to speak, so there were a lot of them. They were not sworn for the spoken testimony, but provided their testimony separately as sworn documents subject to perjury; many simply read their already-sworn testimony.

It was awful. The witnesses were primarily election workers and poll-watchers, and most of the testimony related to gross mishandling of ballots, re-processing of already-counted ballots, mail-in ballots in stacks, all somehow without the creases a mail-in ballot would have, and all having only the presidential race voted, machine-filled-in ballots, the strange shutting down of counting in those states (but counting proceeded without oversight) ... you get the idea. 

If any court in the country actually allowed this testimony it would have blown up the election. The fact that NO court would grant standing, for evidence to be heard, leaves a lot of us with grave concern as to whether the 2022 election will have any of that fixed, let alone 2024. If it was gotten away with once, after all, well, you get the idea.

Was it enough to "steal" the election? It certainly could have been. But it happened, and will happen again. The left is using the strawman of whether the election was "stolen" to deflect from the real issue -- the massive fraud that did take place.

A replay can only be prevented at the state level. Either the legislatures take over, as the Constitution actually addresses, or the cities will continue to fraud their brains out.


Supplementary Discussion:

At the same time those five states were holding hearings -- they were the ones with the strange suspensions of counting in the middle of the nights -- many people were trying to get a court to hear actual evidence. Not a single court would grant "standing" (the right to bring legal action) to any entity, so none of the evidence, including the testimony of all those people, ever was heard by a judge, anywhere.

Clearly the left did some very strange things to try to fix the election, and they may have been successful; the idea that Joe Biden got 81 million votes while essentially staying in his basement and not campaigning is ludicrous. But the election and the fraud needed to come before a court, and it never got to happen.



How Can We Trust the 2020 Elections?

-August 2020

Houston, we have a problem. And it's huuuuuge.

If you're a regular reader, you know that I'm a big fan of asking candidates where their proposed solutions have worked before, when used to address whatever problem they say they're trying to fix. 

For example, I would always ask a leftist proposing tax increases (like, you know, Joe Biden), where the act of increasing tax rates has ever actually increased tax revenues. I'd ask where cutting defense spending has ever maintained our defensive posture. That sort of thing.

In November, there is supposed to be an election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. In any other year, we would be vigorously polling registered voters and talking about "swing states" and "margins of error" and all that, leading up to where we went to the polls on Election Day and pulled a lever, figuratively or not.

Now, I'm sure you know, unless you've been under a rock for a while, that the polling in the 2016 presidential election campaign turned out to be horrendously wrong, as exhibited by the fact that Hillary Clinton is mercifully off in the woods somewhere, as opposed to being president. Oh, yeah, and by the fact that the influence-peddling Clinton Foundation is a dried-up shell of its former self, with no actual influence to peddle.

I think we can comfortably say that the disparity between the polling and the 2016 election result had much to do with the press's vilification of candidate Trump, leading people to lie to the polls, lest they be bashed for holding a view contrary to what the press and the left (but I repeat myself) wanted you to think.

And it's more so now, with lots of us who are going to vote for President Trump's reelection simply hanging up on polling calls, or lying about all manner of things we're asked. Frankly, I can't be sure that the call isn't actually coming from some Antifa thug who is ready to fire-bomb my house if I don't give the "right" answer ... can you be sure?

It was never that Trump drew a lot of former Democrats in 2016; that didn't end up being as big a factor as the overall turnout for Hillary, or lack thereof. Trump voters were enthusiastic, and a lot of people stayed home.
Or didn't vote. That's not always the same thing, and that's the point.

The leftist Democrat legislature of the once-great State of Nevada just rammed through a bill, signed by the leftist Democrat governor, essentially mandating mail-out ballots for everyone. Now, "mail-out" is not the same as "mail-in" (absentee), the good and valid system by which you can request that a ballot be sent to your registered address, get validated as a registered voter, and have it sent to you.

Nope, not good enough. Nevada now joins other states which have blown up the chain of custody that preserved the integrity of our election system. For 200-plus years, there was a process -- you registered to vote, demonstrated your residence and age, and then showed up at an approved polling site with people who would look you up in the rolls, confirm your registration, and point you back to a machine or paper ballot where you voted in private.

The actual votes were right there in the polling place, and when the voting time ended, the local board of elections, overseen by both parties, would tabulate the ballots, secure in the knowledge that the person who was supposed to cast the ballot did indeed do so, at least theoretically. More importantly, that system imposed a validation chain -- you had to register, show up, have a name on the polling list, and then your vote ended up in the container.

Nevada and its fellow states have now made that scary. I, for one, do not know how many ballots will go out to people who no longer live at the registered address (hopefully the USPS has a "no forward under any circumstance" rule). I don't know how many will go to the deceased, may they rest in peace but their votes not be counted. 

I do know that in Los Angeles, there are 10% more registered voters than citizens of age, meaning that at least ten percent of the votes in LA this November will be invalid, if the city even has the ability to distinguish them -- and if they don't, that's its own problem.

There is an ongoing special congressional election in New York that is hopelessly dragging out, not because it's so close but because they can't accurately count the ballots. You want to see that on a national level?

So how can we trust the 2020 presidential election?

I can't. Well, if Donald Trump is reelected, I suppose we can, because it just means that despite the incredible forces lined up against him, the nation voted against the press, the rioters and looters, Nancy and Chuck and Schiff and the rest, and even their contemptible actions like ballot harvesting weren't enough.

But if not ...

Let's face it, Joe Biden is generating the enthusiasm of a dormant sloth. He can't answer a question; the press don't even ask him challenging questions on the rare occasions he takes any. You cannot convince me that in a free election with only legitimate voters, he'd win a single state. He stands for nothing, and his cognitive skills have decayed into something pathetic.

So if he were to win, and ballot harvesting is allowed, can anyone legitimately assure me that there wasn't massive voter fraud? I mean, the LA election board doesn't appear to be doing anything about the tens of thousands of expired, incorrect or deceased registrations on their rolls. So where are those ballots going to be mailed? And who in the city government is going to assure the nation that only legitimate votes were counted?

Think of it -- we know that over ten percent of LA's registrations are incorrect, but they're going to mail them anyway. That means that on Election Day, every single one of the millions of votes has to be validated, right? And they won't be, we know that.

That tells me that I can have not a shred of faith in the integrity of the 2020 presidential election, and I'm concerned that this is the future as well. None of this is being done for an appropriate reason; the mail-out process is meant to get a bunch of ballots out in circulation to allow Democrats to mass-vote, corruptly.

What happens if Biden is elected because of that, and mail-out balloting is claimed to be unconstitutional (it might be) and the election has to go to the Supreme Court? And the Court invalidates the election? Who is president then? That case will make Bush v. Gore look like a traffic citation.

Mail-out balloting has simply not worked, and it is not going to work in 2020, and not work in a big way. Ask your candidate where it has ever worked.

I'm scared. I don't like the way things are starting to play out, and I think you should be just as concerned.

Then ask why the media are not. You won't like the answer.

By Robert Sutton
www.uberthoughtsUSA.com
https://uberthoughtsusa.blogspot.com/2020/08/visiting-column-48-how-can-we-trust.html

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