CGTN独家：刘欣拨通了华为首席法务官的电话

2018年6月，美国商务部部长罗斯郑重表示没有在合规上发现华为有任何问题。然而，短短几个月之后，他却一改口风，美国也对孟晚舟以诈骗罪要求加拿大方面引渡。

华为是否合规到底谁说了算？

北京时间7月24日上午，孟晚舟案证据公开。CGTN记者刘欣在北京拨通了华为首席法务官、首席合规官宋柳平的电话，对他进行独家求证。

刘欣：我是中国国际电视台CGTN的记者刘欣，我们想就孟晚舟案件的庭审进展，对您做面对面的采访，有这个可能吗？近期？

I am a journalist with CGTN. We would like to do a sit-down interview with you concerning the court case surrounding Meng Wanzhou. Is it possible? 

宋柳平：非常感谢媒体对孟晚舟女士的关注，我们相信孟晚舟女士的清白，也希望孟女士能尽快重获自由。但是由于当前的案件正在审理的过程中，所以非常抱歉我无法对案件给出更多的评论。 

We appreciate very much the interest by the media to Ms. Meng. We believe she is innocent and hope that she will regain her freedom as soon as possible. But as her legal case is still ongoing, I am very sorry I cannot make more comments about the case itself. 

刘欣：有一些很小的细节，我能不能从您这了解一下？比如说2013年8月22号，汇丰的一个高管与孟晚舟在香港举行了一次会面，那么被认定的一个事实是认为这次会面是华为提出的。这个信息准确吗？

Could I find out more about a minor detail? On August 22, 2013, a senior executive of HSBC met with Meng Wanzhou in Hong Kong. It’s regarded as a fact that the meeting was requested by Huawei. Is such information accurate?

宋柳平：涉及到案件的具体问题，我还是不能给出更多评论。但是因为加拿大的法庭审理的程序对媒体是公开的，所以案件的具体情况，您可以通过法院公开的文件或者开庭审理的记录了解。

As to specific questions involving the case, I still cannot make more comments. But as the procedure of the court case in Canada is open to press, you could learn about relevant information through documents or proceedings made public by the court.

刘欣：还有一个问题也很重要，因为华为和星通的关系在这个案件里对美方来说是他们抓住的一个重点，那么您认为或者华为认为这个关系对孟晚舟案件的审理是否重要，有多重要？

Another question, and it’s really important as the relationship between Huawei and Skycom is a key element in the US case against Huawei. Do you think or does Huawei think this detail is important to the case against Meng Wanzhou? If so, how important? 

宋柳平：对。你这个问题同样是这个跟案件相关的，我还是不能评论，我想等评审的时候，有关的信息会公开出来。

This question again has to do with the case so I cannot comment. Please wait for the hearing to take place. Then relevant information will be released. 

刘欣：最后一个，华为在合规方面与美国相关的部门之间有过什么样的沟通，或者有着什么样的沟通，这个应该不是和案件直接相关的内容。您平常也是首席合规官，那么这方面的情况您能简单介绍一下吗？

Before hanging up, what kind of communication had or has been going on between Huawei and authorities in the US? This does not directly relate to the case. You are also the Chief Compliance Officer. Could you elaborate on this aspect?

宋柳平：是的，华为致力于合规的全球的全面的管理，而且我们从很早的时候就开始在这方面进行很大的投入，我们有超过1500人的队伍来从事全球合规管理的工作。合规运营是华为经营的一个基本理念，是我们高层的一个基本理念。其实关于贸易合规方面的有关的活动，我们在很早以前就一直跟美国商务部进行报告，包括我们的相关的这些微量测算的规则，我们对美国法律，新颁布法律的理解，其实我们一直在跟美国商务部做报告，而且我本人也拜访过几次美国商务部。

Huawei is committed to global and comprehensive management in compliance and we have invested hugely in this area since very early on. We have a team of over 1,500 people working in global compliance management. Compliance is a basic principle for Huawei’s operations and for our senior management. In fact, in terms of activities related to compliance in trade, we had been briefing the US Commerce Department since a long time ago, including de minimis rules, our understanding of US laws, newly enacted laws. We had been briefing the US Commerce Department. I also personally visited the department several times. 

刘欣：这个报告，这种沟通的过程从什么时候开始，到现在还持续吗？

When did such briefing, such communication, start? Is it still ongoing?

宋柳平：我们应该是在2009年到10年左右的这段时间开始，大概每一年半两年左右，一年多一点，我们会去报告一次。持续到2016年，因为2016年的美国商会已经开始调查了，我们就不太方便了。

We started around 2009, 2010. On average we would brief them about once every a year and half year or every two years, a little over a year. It lasted till 2016 because then the US side started to investigate us and it was not convenient any more. 

刘欣：那么你们每次去报告，美方的反应是什么？他们的回馈是什么呢？

Every time when you briefed, what was the reaction from the US side? What was their feedback?

宋柳平：他们跟我们都进行了一些澄清和沟通，因为都是技术层面的东西、内容，其实我们大概每两年左右，就会请美国的审计，对我们的贸易合规进行审计。其实我们这些东西也都提交给美国商务部过，这样。所以当然我们具体讨论的都是一些技术细节，比如说微量测算的规则，比如说他们CISADA法案的一些解释等等，这些具体的这个技术问题。

Every time they would seek clarifications from and communicate with us, always on technical aspects or contents. In fact, every two years or so, we would invite US auditors to audit our compliance on trade activities. And we have submitted all these contents to the US Commerce Department. Of course we were discussing technical details, such as de minimis rules, such as the interpretation of their CISADA (sanctions). 

刘欣：也就是说到2016年美国开始调查华为这个时间点，在此之前，华为并没有在合规的问题上得到美国有关方面的警告，或者说要求你们改，或者是更加合规的这样的一些提示。

So until 2016 when the US started to investigate Huawei, they had not issued any warning to Huawei in terms of compliance issues, nor had they prompted Huawei to rectify in order to comply better?

宋柳平：没有。

Never.

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