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演讲时间：2019年
演讲简介：记者安德鲁·马兰茨（Andrew Marantz）花了三年时间深入网络喷子和网络推手的世界，寻找那些将边缘话题推入网络对话核心的人，并试图了解他们是如何传播自己的想法的。窥视网络宣传和充满错误信息的网络世界——并了解我们如何可以行动起来让网络变得不那么有害。
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我花了三年的时间在互联网上与一些最糟糕的人交谈。
Now, if you've been online recently,you may have noticed that there's a lot of toxic garbage out there: racist memes, misogynist propaganda, viral misinformation.
So I wanted to know who was making this stuff.
我想要知道是谁制造了这些东西。
I wanted to understand how they were spreading it.
我想要理解他们如何传播它们。
Ultimately, I wanted to know what kind of impact it might be having on our society.
So in 2016, I started tracing some of these memes back to their source, back to the people who were making them or who were making them go viral.
I'd approach those people and say, "Hey, I'm a journalist. Can I come watch you do what you do?"
Now, often the response would be, "Why in hell would I want to talk to some low-t soy-boy Brooklyn globalist Jew cuck who's in cahoots with the Democrat Party?"
(Laughter)
（笑声）
To which my response would be, "Look, man, that's only 57 percent true."
对此我的回应是，“瞧，伙计， 这只有 57% 是真的。”
(Laughter)
（笑声）
But often I got the opposite response.
但常常我也得到相反的回应。
"Yeah, sure, come on by."
“好的，当然，来吧。”
So that's how I ended up in the living room of a social media propagandist in Southern California.
He was a married white guy in his late 30s.
他是一个 30 多岁的已婚白人。
He had a table in front of him with a mug of coffee, a laptop for tweeting, a phone for texting and an iPad for livestreaming to Periscope and YouTube.
That was it.
就这些了。
And yet, with those tools, he was able to propel his fringe, noxious talking points into the heart of the American conversation.
For example, one of the days I was there, a bomb had just exploded in New York, and the guy accused of planting the bomb had a Muslim-sounding name.
Now, to the propagandist in California, this seemed like an opportunity, because one of the things he wanted was for the US to cut off almost all immigration, especially from Muslim-majority countries.
So he started livestreaming, getting his followers worked up into a frenzy about how the open borders agenda was going to kill us all and asking them to tweet about this, and use specific hashtags, trying to get those hashtags trending.
And tweet they did -- hundreds and hundreds of tweets, a lot of them featuring images like this one.
他们发了很多推文——成百上千，很多都带着像这样的图片。
So that's George Soros.
这是乔治·索罗斯。
He's a Hungarian billionaire and philanthropist, and in the minds of some conspiracists online, George Soros is like a globalist bogeyman, one of a few elites who is secretly manipulating all of global affairs.
他是匈牙利裔的亿万富翁和慈善家，在一些网上阴谋家看来，乔治·索罗斯就像一个全球主义者，秘密操纵全球事务的精英之一。
Now, just to pause here: if this idea sounds familiar to you, that there are a few elites who control the world and a lot of them happen to be rich Jews, that's because it is one of the most anti-Semitic tropes in existence.
这里暂停一下：如果这个你听起来熟悉，有少数精英控制全球,并且很多人碰巧是有钱的犹太人，因为它是现存最反犹太人的比喻之一。
I should also mention that the guy in New York who planted that bomb, he was an American citizen.
我还要提一下在纽约埋下炸弹的人，他是一个美国公民。
So whatever else was going on there, immigration was not the main issue.
所以不管发生了什么，移民并非主要问题。
And the propagandist in California, he understood all this.
而这位加州推手，他知道所有这些。
He was a well-read guy. He was actually a lawyer.
他是个博览群书的人， 他其实是个律师。
He knew the underlying facts, but he also knew that facts do not drive conversation online.
What drives conversation online is emotion.
See, the original premise of social media was that it was going to bring us all together, make the world more open and tolerant and fair ...
And it did some of that.
它确实有这方面的作用。
But the social media algorithms have never been built to distinguish between what's true or false, what's good or bad for society, what's prosocial and what's antisocial.
That's just not what those algorithms do.
这些内容，算法都没有涉及到。
A lot of what they do is measure engagement: clicks, comments, shares, retweets, that kind of thing.
And if you want your content to get engagement, it has to spark emotion, specifically, what behavioral scientists call "high-arousal emotion."
Now, "high arousal" doesn't only mean sexual arousal, although it's the internet, obviously that works.
It means anything, positive or negative, that gets people's hearts pumping.
它意味着任何事情，积极的 或消极的，让人们心脏加速跳动的。
So I would sit with these propagandists, not just the guy in California, but dozens of them, and I would watch as they did this again and again successfully, not because they were Russian hackers, not because they were tech prodigies, not because they had unique political insights -- just because they understood how social media worked, and they were willing to exploit it to their advantage.
Now, at first I was able to tell myself this was a fringe phenomenon, something that was relegated to the internet.
But there's really no separation anymore between the internet and everything else.
但互联网和其他东西没有任何区别。
This is an ad that ran on multiple TV stations during the 2018 congressional elections, alleging with very little evidence that one of the candidates was in the pocket of international manipulator George Soros, who is awkwardly photoshopped here next to stacks of cash.
This is a tweet from the President of the United States, alleging, again with no evidence, that American politics is being manipulated by George Soros.
This stuff that once seemed so shocking and marginal and, frankly, just ignorable, it's now so normalized that we hardly even notice it.
So I spent about three years in this world.
于是我在这个世界花了三年的时间。
I talked to a lot of people.
我跟很多人交谈过。
Some of them seemed to have no core beliefs at all.
他们中有些人似乎根本没有核心信仰。
They just seemed to be betting, perfectly rationally, that if they wanted to make some money online or get some attention online, they should just be as outrageous as possible.
But I talked to other people who were true ideologues.
但我也和其他真正 的意识形态拥护者谈过。
And to be clear, their ideology was not traditional conservatism.
需要明确的是，他们的意识形态 不是传统的保守主义。
These were people who wanted to revoke female suffrage.
这些人想要废除女性选举权。
These were people who wanted to go back to racial segregation.
这些人想要回到种族隔离时代。
Some of them wanted to do away with democracy altogether.
他们中的一些人想彻底废除民主。
Now, obviously these people were not born believing these things.
很明显，这些人并不是生来 就相信这些事情的。
They didn't pick them up in elementary school.
他们不是小学的时候就学习这些。
A lot of them, before they went down some internet rabbit hole, they had been libertarian or they had been socialist or they had been something else entirely.
So what was going on?
那么到底发生了什么？
Well, I can't generalize about every case, but a lot of the people I spoke to, they seem to have a combination of a high IQ and a low EQ.
They seem to take comfort in anonymous, online spaces rather than connecting in the real world.
So often they would retreat to these message boards or these subreddits, where their worst impulses would be magnified.
They might start out saying something just as a sick joke, and then they would get so much positive reinforcement for that joke, so many meaningless "internet points," as they called it, that they might start believing their own joke.
I talked a lot with one young woman who grew up in New Jersey, and then after high school, she moved to a new place and suddenly she just felt alienated and cut off and started retreating into her phone.
She found some of these spaces on the internet where people would post the most shocking, heinous things.
And she found this stuff really off-putting but also kind of engrossing, kind of like she couldn't look away from it.
She started interacting with people in these online spaces, and they made her feel smart, they made her feel validated.
She started feeling a sense of community, started wondering if maybe some of these shocking memes might actually contain a kernel of truth.
A few months later, she was in a car with some of her new internet friends headed to Charlottesville, Virginia, to march with torches in the name of the white race.
She'd gone, in a few months, from Obama supporter to fully radicalized white supremacist.
Now, in her particular case, she actually was able to find her way out of the cult of white supremacy.
But a lot of the people I spoke to were not.
但很多与我交谈的人不能。
And just to be clear:
说得更明白些：
I was never so convinced that I had to find common ground with every single person I spoke to that I was willing to say, "You know what, man, you're a fascist propagandist, I'm not, whatever, let's just hug it out, all our differences will melt away."
No, absolutely not.
不，绝对不会。
But I did become convinced that we cannot just look away from this stuff.
但我的确变得确信， 我们不能无视这些东西。
We have to try to understand it, because only by understanding it can we even start to inoculate ourselves against it.
In my three years in this world, I got a few nasty phone calls, even some threats, but it wasn't a fraction of what female journalists get on this beat.
在这个世界的三年时间中， 我接到过一些让人不快的电话，甚至有些是威胁，但跟女记者收到的威胁相比 算是小巫见大巫了。
And yeah, I am Jewish, although, weirdly, a lot of the Nazis couldn't tell I was Jewish, which I frankly just found kind of disappointing.
是的，我是犹太人，不过奇怪的是，很多纳粹分子 看不出我是犹太人，坦白说这让我有点失望。
(Laughter)
（笑声）
Seriously, like, your whole job is being a professional anti-Semite.
说真的，你的工作就是 一个专业的反犹份子。
Nothing about me is tipping you off at all?
我就没有表露一丁点这种特征？
Nothing?
一点都没有？
(Laughter)
（笑声）
This is not a secret.
这并不是个秘密。
My name is Andrew Marantz, I write for "The New Yorker," my personality type is like if a Seinfeld episode was taped at the Park Slope Food Coop.
我叫安德鲁·马兰兹， 为《纽约客》撰稿，我的性格类型就像《宋飞正传》里面在公园坡的食品店里录制的那一集。
Nothing?
一点都没有？
(Laughter)
（笑声）
Anyway, look -- ultimately, it would be nice if there were, like, a simple formula: smartphone plus alienated kid equals 12 percent chance of Nazi.
不管怎样，最终，如果有一个简单的公式就好了：智能手机加上被疏远的孩子 等于 12% 的纳粹几率。
It's obviously not that simple.
这当然不是那样简单。
And in my writing, I'm much more comfortable being descriptive, not prescriptive.
在我的文章中，我更喜欢用描述性的， 而不是指令性的字眼。
But this is TED, so let's get practical.
但这是 TED，所以让我们实际点。
I want to share a few suggestions of things that citizens of the internet like you and I might be able to do to make things a little bit less toxic.
我想要分享几点能让像你和我这样的互联网公民去做的能够让事情变得不那么 糟糕的建议。
So the first one is to be a smart skeptic.
首先，要做一个聪明的怀疑论者。
So, I think there are two kinds of skepticism.
我认为有两种怀疑论。
And I don't want to drown you in technical epistemological information here, but I call them smart and dumb skepticism.
我不想让你们沉浸在 技术认识论信息中，但我把它们称为 聪明和愚蠢的怀疑主义。
So, smart skepticism: thinking for yourself, questioning every claim, demanding evidence -- great, that's real skepticism.
聪明的怀疑者是：独立思考，怀疑任何宣称，要求证据——很好，这是真正的怀疑。
Dumb skepticism: it sounds like skepticism, but it's actually closer to knee-jerk contrarianism.
愚蠢的怀疑者：听起来像怀疑，但实际上它更接近于 下意识的逆向抬杠。
Everyone says the earth is round, you say it's flat.
人人都说地球是圆的，你说它是平的。
Everyone says racism is bad, you say, "I dunno, I'm skeptical about that."
人人都说种族主义不好，你说，“我不知道，我对此表示怀疑。”
I cannot tell you how many young white men I have spoken to in the last few years who have said, "You know, the media, my teachers, they're all trying to indoctrinate me into believing in male privilege and white privilege, but I don't know about that, man, I don't think so."
我无法告诉你，在过去 5 年中 我聊过的人中有多少年轻白人说过，“媒体，我的老师， 他们都试图向我灌输相信男性特权和白人特权的观念，但我不知道，我不这么认为。”
Guys -- contrarian white teens of the world -- look: if you are being a round earth skeptic and a male privilege skeptic and a racism is bad skeptic, you're not being a skeptic, you're being a jerk.
伙计们——世界上叛逆 的白人青少年——这么说吧：如果你质疑地球不是圆的， 质疑男性至上这种说法是错的，或是质疑种族主义是不对的，你不是怀疑论者，你是个混蛋。
(Applause)
（鼓掌）
It's great to be independent-minded, we all should be independent-minded, but just be smart about it.
有独立的思想很好， 我们都应该有独立的思想，但要对此足够智慧。
So this next one is about free speech.
下一个是关于言论自由。
You will hear smart, accomplished people who will say, "Well, I'm pro-free speech," and they say it in this way that it's like they're settling a debate, when actually, that is the very beginning of any meaningful conversation.
你会听到聪明，有成就的人说：“我支持言论自由，”他们这样说，就像他们 在终结一场辩论，实际上，这是任何有意义的对话的开始。
All the interesting stuff happens after that point.
所有有趣的事情都发生在这个观点后。
OK, you're pro-free speech. What does that mean?
好的，你支持言论自由，那意味着啥？
Does it mean that David Duke and Richard Spencer need to have active Twitter accounts?
这意味着大卫·杜克和理查德·斯宾塞必须得激活推特账号吗？
Does it mean that anyone can harass anyone else online for any reason?
这意味着每个人都可因任何理由在网上攻击别人吗？
You know, I looked through the entire list of TED speakers this year.
我看了今年 TED 所有的演讲者清单。
I didn't find a single round earth skeptic.
我并没有发现一个人怀疑地球是圆的。
Is that a violation of free speech norms?
这违反了言论自由的准则吗？
Look, we're all pro-free speech, it's wonderful to be pro-free speech, but if that's all you know how to say again and again, you're standing in the way of a more productive conversation.
我们都是言论自由的支持者， 支持言论自由很好，但如果你知道只是 一次又一次地重复这句话，你就阻碍了一次更有成效的谈话。
Making decency cool again, so ...
让体面再次变酷，所以……
Great!
很棒！
(Applause)
（鼓掌）
Yeah. I don't even need to explain it.
是的，我甚至都不需要解释它。
So in my research, I would go to Reddit or YouTube or Facebook, and I would search for "sharia law" or I would search for "the Holocaust," and you might be able to guess what the algorithms showed me, right?
在我的研究中，我会去 Reddit、 YouTube 或 Facebook，搜索“古兰经”，或是“反犹大屠杀”，你们可能能够猜到算法会向我展示啥，是吧？
"Is sharia law sweeping across the United States?"
“可兰经正在席卷美国吗？”
"Did the Holocaust really happen?"
“反犹大屠杀真的发生过吗？”
Dumb skepticism.
愚蠢的怀疑主义。
So we've ended up in this bizarre dynamic online, where some people see bigoted propaganda as being edgy or being dangerous and cool, and people see basic truth and human decency as pearl-clutching or virtue-signaling or just boring.
于是我们就陷入了 这种奇怪的网络动态，有些人把看到的偏执的宣传看作是很新潮的、或是危险但又很酷的，人们反而觉得基本的真理 和人类的尊严有些令人感到震惊，或是有些圣母，或是无聊的。
And the social media algorithms, whether intentionally or not, they have incentivized this, because bigoted propaganda is great for engagement.
社交媒体算法，不管是有意还是无意，一直都在火上浇油，因为偏执的煽动对于互动很有帮助。
Everyone clicks on it, everyone comments on it, whether they love it or they hate it.
每个人都点击它，每个人都评论它，不管他们爱它还是讨厌它。
So the number one thing that has to happen here is social networks need to fix their platforms.
所以当务之急就是，社交网络需要修复它们的平台。
(Applause)
（鼓掌）
So if you're listening to my voice and you work at a social media company or you invest in one or, I don't know, own one, this tip is for you.
那么，如果你在听我的演讲， 你在社交媒体公司工作，或你投资了一家，或者拥有一家，这条建议是给你的。
If you have been optimizing for maximum emotional engagement and maximum emotional engagement turns out to be actively harming the world, it's time to optimize for something else.
如果你一直在优化 以实现最大化情感式的互动，而最大化的情感式互动实际上 正在伤害着这个世界，是时候以其他事情为优化目标了。
(Applause)
（鼓掌）
But in addition to putting pressure on them to do that and waiting for them and hoping that they'll do that, there's some stuff that the rest of us can do, too.
但除了向社交平台施加压力，并等待和希望他们会行动之外，有一些事情其他人也可以去做。
So, we can create some better pathways or suggest some better pathways for angsty teens to go down.
这样，我们就能够创造一些更好的途径， 或者找到一些更好的途径，减少青少年中的焦虑情绪。
If you see something that you think is really creative and thoughtful and you want to share that thing, you can share that thing, even if it's not flooding you with high arousal emotion.
如果你看到一些你认为真的 有创意和有思想的东西，并且你想要分享那个东西， 你就可以分享，即使它没有让你充满高度兴奋的情绪。
Now that is a very small step, I realize, but in the aggregate, this stuff does matter, because these algorithms, as powerful as they are, they are taking their behavioral cues from us.
我发现那真是很小的一步，但总的来说，这些东西真的很重要，因为这些算法本身非常强大，它们会从我们身上获取行为线索。
So let me leave you with this.
我还想告诉大家，
You know, a few years ago it was really fashionable to say that the internet was a revolutionary tool that was going to bring us all together.
几年前，非常时尚的说法是互联网是革命性的工具，将会把我们聚在一起。
It's now more fashionable to say that the internet is a huge, irredeemable dumpster fire.
如今更时尚的说法是互联网是一场不可挽回的垃圾箱火灾。
Neither caricature is really true.
两种说法都不完全正确。
We know the internet is just too vast and complex to be all good or all bad.
我们知道互联网太大太复杂，以至于不可能是全好或全不好的。
And the danger with these ways of thinking, whether it's the utopian view that the internet will inevitably save us or the dystopian view that it will inevitably destroy us, either way, we're letting ourselves off the hook.
这种思考方式的危险在于，无论是乌托邦的观点—— 互联网将不可避免地拯救我们，还是反乌托邦式的观点—— 互联网将不可避免地摧毁我们，不管怎样，我们要让自己摆脱困境。
There is nothing inevitable about our future.
我们的未来没有什么是不可避免的。
The internet is made of people.
互联网由人组成。
People make decisions at social media companies.
是人们在社交媒体公司中做决定。
People make hashtags trend or not trend.
是人们让话题标签热门或不热门。
People make societies progress or regress.
是人们让社会进步或退步。
When we internalize that fact, we can stop waiting for some inevitable future to arrive and actually get to work now.
当我们内化这个事实时，就不会坐以待毙，现在就开始着手应对。
You know, we've all been taught that the arc of the moral universe is long but that it bends toward justice.
我们都被教育过人类的道德轨迹绵长，但它终归正义。
Maybe.
也许。
Maybe it will.
也许会的。
But that has always been an aspiration.
但这一直是一个愿望。
It is not a guarantee.
它不是个保证。
The arc doesn't bend itself.
道德轨迹并不会自己转向。
It's not bent inevitably by some mysterious force.
它不会被某种神秘力量改变轨迹。
The real truth, which is scarier and also more liberating, is that we bend it.
真正的事实，有些可怕但也更加令人舒心，是我们能够改变它。
Thank you.
谢谢。
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