英国消防：逃出生天(伦敦大火23层顶层幸存者访谈)

Fahad（儿子）和Flora（母亲）原来居住在敦格伦费尔居民楼23层顶

他们是发生在2017年6月14日伦敦公寓唯一的顶楼幸存者

Fahad的父亲Saber在火灾中不幸罹难

在火灾没有发生前，他们在该楼中已经居住了近20年

以下是访谈的记录（注：无中文注释）

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以下是字幕的英文部分：

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Make a wish!

We got ready for bed,

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my mum came in saying that there was

a burning smell. We did not think

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much of it. We couldn't see the

fire, at all. But then, we saw our

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neighbours from downstairs running

upwards looking worried, banging on

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the doors and telling everybody to

get out. When we asked them what was

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going on, they said that there was a

fire and there was no way out. While

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we were in the flat, we were on the

phone to other neighbours who had

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made it out of the building, or my

school friends who were living

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around the tower. They were right

next to the Fire Brigade. I was

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asking them what the Fire brigade

were telling us to do. They were

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telling us that they were on their

way up, and that they would get us

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soon. Stay in the flat.

35 or 40

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people came up and they said, the

Fire Brigade told us that you have

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to go up. We will send a helicopter

for you, for rescue.

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There were

helicopters up, I do not know how

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many. Definitely more than one. But

honestly? I do not think the Fire

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Brigade instructed anyone to go out

to the roof.

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These people that came

up to your floor... You know, before

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you left, you talked about 35 or 40

people?

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Yes.

What happened to them?

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I don't know, that's my question.

Where are they now?

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They are all

missing. Or dead. I mean, the four

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people that came into our flat,

they've all passed away.

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At what

point did you decide, I think it was

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you more than anybody in that flat,

that you had to get out and go down?

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The fire had broken the windows of

our flat and come into the bedroom.

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My mum had said "I don't want togo

through the pain of burning alive,

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I'm going to jump out the window".I

said we had to at least try and get

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out. We thought we were dead, 100%

dead that night. I grabbed my mum

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and because there was so much smoke

I did not let go of her. I knew if I

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let go, I wouldn't be able to find

her again. We started feeling our

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way...

And she could not walk very

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easily, because she had a medical

problem before?

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I knew that it would

be difficult for her to go

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downstairs especially.

So you had

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her around your shoulders?

I was

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carrying her rebuffed my shoulders.

Did you try and persuade your dad to

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come too?

He was actually very

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calming the situation.

He's not

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thinking that he's dying or he's

burning.

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He was just looking out of

the window.

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He is not fighting it.

No?

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I called him so many times.

He

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did not say that he was staying?

I

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think he was trying to help the

other neighbours who had come into

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the flat, the four ladies, to help

them get out as well. He was always

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the sort of person who would try to

help other people before himself.

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The smoke became so thick we

couldn't see each other after. Once

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we got to the staircase, we were

shouting his name to see if he was

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behind. When I told my mum we had to

go out, I told my dad too. I shouted

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to everyone that we had to get out.

We assumed that my dad was behind

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us.

Farhad did not allow me to go

 

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back.

There was no way we could go

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back. We wouldn't have been able to

breathe.

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It's very difficult. He

took me, and hugged me. Every

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staircase, he was telling me mum,

there are the stairs, be careful.

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We

were stepping on people, and she was

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asking me "What are we steppingon?"

I did not want to scare her so I

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told her it was the Fire Brigade's

hoses.

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But when I heard the sound of

difficult breathing, I was feeling

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that there was someone there. I

turned on my phone night, and I saw

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there were too many people who had

fallen down. Most of them died, or

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nearly died.

I think there was about

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two or three bodies that I remember

stepping on. I'm sure there was

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more.

More, more. I saw.

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But what is

amazing is you got to a level where

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you were in very bad shape. You were

gossiping. And there was thick

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smoke, everywhere. -- keyword gar

Spain. Suddenly, a miracle?

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We

realised we could not make it down.

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I took my mum back up and we saw an

air pocket.

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You gulp to air in?

We

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were getting fresh air.

Then? We

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started running down again. I guess

it was about the seventh or eighth

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floor. I could hear the mask of the

Fire Brigade, breathing heavily. I

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just knew. Even though I could not

see, I knew that the Fire Brigade

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were there. I stuck out my hand, I

was feeling my way. I just happened

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to touch one of their chests. As

soon as I touched his chest, I

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grabbed him and pulled him towards

me. I told him that there were two

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of us from the 23rd floor.

I was

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shouting, and I was telling them I

could not go any more. I could not

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breathe. They said, you can. You

have to go. I went, down some of the

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stairs around. After that, I did not

know.

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You lost consciousness?

When we

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got outside, my mum regained

consciousness.

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He was crying, and

looking for his dad. He was saying

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"My dad is still up there, please

help him".

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Everybody that they would

take out, I would go and look to see

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if it was my dad. But none of them

were.

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But you were both put into an

induced coma? For how long?

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About

one week. Yeah, one week.

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I was in

one for two days.

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When did you

discover what had happened to Saber,

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your husband, your father?

When I

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got out of the coma, I was asking

for him quite a lot. At this point,

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we had no idea. Nobody knew where he

was. I basically had to discharge

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myself to go to see my mum and to

try to find my dad at that point.

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Once they gave me news that they had

identified my dad, I told my mum

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that this was what had happened.

And

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you know how he died?

They said that

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his injuries are consistent with a

fall from a height. But they do not

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think he jumped from the 23rd floor.

They are saying he came down to one

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of the lower floors and jumped from

there. But it is something which we

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will never find out, where he jumped

from.

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They said the people who

jumped, they were suicide, not... I

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don't know who talked about this.

You loved your husband, very much.

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Yeah.

Do you think you can make a

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new future? Can you make a life? Do

you feel you are beginning to go

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forwards?

I can't say, how can I

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spend my life without him? The only

thing I make myself stronger because

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of Farhad. I don't want to leave

him. Umm...

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And you, Farhad?

It

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won't ever be the same without him.

When I'm going outside, it is more

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than difficult, staying at home.

Everywhere I go, I remember him.

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Maybe he is coming out of a small

street, with his car... A similar

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car, when I see, I'm looking. And I

see that he's not inside this car...

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I had a dream. My husband, we were

in the flat. He was very clean, and

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very smiley faced. I hold his hand,

and at the staircase, I told him

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"Can you show me, from which floor

did you jump?" He told me"Go down.

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" I saw that my son was coming andI

said that he was showing us which

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floor he jumped from. When I saw

behind, he was not there. Always,

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when I have a dream from him, this

is my question, from which floor did

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you jump? And I couldn't get the

answer.

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Farhad and Flora Neda

speaking to me earlier.

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And tonight, the London Fire Brigade

have told us they cannot go

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into details of what happened

on the night of the Grenfell

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fire because of the

ongoing investigations.

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But they have said that they do not

use helicopters to conduct rescues

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from high rise towers.

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付：人们还在等待真相

英国媒体认为，虽然英国需要这样一场悼念活动，但对政府的质疑声并没有消失。七个月过去了，至少一半等待安置的家庭仍住在酒店里，五分之四的人将在没有厨房的地方过圣诞节。首相梅在火灾发生两天后做出“三个星期内为每个受影响的人在附近找到一个家”的承诺现在看来显得那么讽刺。11月，格伦费尔大楼所在区政府也曾经承诺，每个幸存者都有机会在圣诞节前搬入新家。

有一万六千人签名的请愿书在12日由死者家属和火灾幸存者递交给了唐宁街，它要求首相组成一个反映当地社区多样性的小组，与曾任高等法院法官的火灾调查负责人马丁·摩尔-比克爵士共同工作，以期达到在进行“独立而有效的调查”的同时，也尽可能使受害者参与到调查过程中来。

在火灾中失去叔叔的卡里姆在给首相的信中说：“我们真的对这次公开调查失去了信心，我们对与格伦费尔有关的所有事情都失去了信心……我们正在被遗忘，我们的声音没有被听到。”

有英国媒体报道，在悲剧发生后，英国议会和住房协会计划向高层建筑进行消防安全措施改造的成本高达6亿英镑。对于谁应该为这些安全措施出钱一直存在争议，政府表示将为“必要的”安全措施买单。

曼彻斯特市议会对本市建筑进行火灾风险评估之后，决定在曼彻斯特的所有36个区拥有的塔式大楼中都要安装喷水装置，成本将达到1050万英镑。

据媒体报道，伦敦警方曾承诺会进行“彻底”调查，警方同时表示，对格伦费尔大楼的刑事调查工作不可能在2019年之前完成，或许需要数年时间。警方正在考虑对相关个人和企业提出过失杀人的指控。调查人员表示，大约有200名侦探正在进行调查，在需要的时候还可以有400人参与进来，包括对远在纽约的专家进行相关咨询等。调查过程中会对2400余人进行约谈，这包括急救人员和居民等。目前已收集到超过1000份陈述、2500件证物，其中很多来自大楼内部。警方还需要联系336个组织，包括参与塔楼建设、维护和管理的组织。工作人员说，专家们最近完成了每个房间的指纹搜查，筛选出15.5吨的碎片。

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