画布就是一个精神的垃圾场
What is painting?
Why we paint?
What's the real essense of painting?
Where's the difficulty of painting?
Artist Liu Jiadong came with his recent works presented his answers in the Artist Talk entitled "Mobility In Art" organized by studio Gallery.
就这个肖像
This portrait,
来自于我的印象
just came from my impression of myself.
没有写生的对象
there was no object of it.
完全是从材料开始
It was entirely from the material itself.
把颜料先打在了纸上
After the color was first added to the paper,
然后开始搓
i would start to rub it with my hands.
也没有调色板
There was also no palette,
就是各种颜料往上面放
all colors were added to the paper directly.
比较随机的一个结果
random result.
他是一个完全妥协于材料跟方法的一个行为
It is like an action that is followed by materials and methods.
画面的效果它不产生于你的想法
Your thoughts couldn’t really control how the painting is going.
他实际上产生于你用的颜料是什么颜料
It really depends on what pigment you use,
用的方法是什么方法
what the method is,
用了什么笔去给它抹开
and what pen you use.
完全产生于这些方法、材料
It is entirely created by methods and materials,
而不是产生于你头脑的情感
but not your emotions in your mind.
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这段时间我开始看圣经
I started to read Bible recently.
我觉得该隐
And i find Cain,
亚伯这些人物特别有意思
Abel, these characters are particularly interesting.
我就在想能不能在画面上去表达我对这个人物的想象
So i wondered if i can paint my imagination of these characters.
但是亚伯跟该隐我们没有看见过
The thing is, nobody has ever seen Abel and Cain.
完全是抽象的
They are completely abstract.
我只能去想象这个人
So i can only draw them with imagination.
通过我对一个人的认识了
With my understanding of their characters.
比如说身体的部位、头、手这些东西来想象它的一个形象
For example, their heads, fingers……
因为是蜡笔
Because it’s painted with crayon.
会有那种琐碎的，小的那种，碎，碎
There were some small crumble,
掉在上面
left there.
然后我就直接用手抹掉
I removed it by hands.
实际上我跟这个画纸达成一种跟之前不一样的关系
Actually, i tried a different relationship with the painting paper.
画纸开始有点像 ... ...
I thought the paper was quite like my own space,
是一个精神的垃圾场
a studio, my spiritual junkyard.
如果它（画面）就是一个垃圾场
If it’s just a junkyard,
一个垃圾桶的话你不会去考虑往里面放什么形状好看
who would care about the outside looking of it?
你就是给它放进去
You just threw things in.
放进去你就舒服了
And then you felt comfortable.
它这个（画面）东西就完整了
Because you made it complete.
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那怎么知道画完了呢？
So how do you know if it is finished.
我不想画就是画完了
I stopped when i didn’t feel like to draw anymore.
就是我不想画了
That’s how i finished.
就是我能想象的都丢上去了就画完了
I painted everything i can possibly imagine.
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以前会考虑视觉上完不完整
I used to think there must be some visual incompleteness after i stopped.
或者这里是不是有点空
Also felt a bit empty.
是吧，有点空我就再给它做点什么上去
Yeah, maybe. Should i fill in all the blank?
好让它有那种画面平衡
To make it balance?
现在我就不会去考虑这个形式的问题
It’s not a problem for me.
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上面的字，有的时候我就画上去
When it had more words on it, i drew.
画完这个手，抬头看见工作室墙上曾经写过的字
After i drew, i looked up the thought about the words i had written on it.
我觉得那是我曾经头脑里面排泄出来的东西
It seemed to be something that i used to excrete.
排泄在墙上
Used to be on the mall
然后我又给它转移到这个纸上
Now can be on the paper.
从那拿到这来
Got it from there.
所以说这个字它不是直接来源于我的头脑
So the word is not directly from my mind.
来源于我在墙上看到的东西
It is what i saw on the wall.
我有种从那把它搬运到这的感觉
I had the feeling of carrying it from there.
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人的当下头脑里面
At the time, i felt triggered by people’s thinking,
内部的那种东西我觉得很奇妙
the inside thought.
我觉得非常乱的
That was a very chaotic period of time.
就一秒钟、两秒钟你头脑里面，乱七八糟很多想法就穿过你的脑子
Like, they’re all different things inside of your brain in just one or two seconds.
完全没有逻辑的
And they’re all out of order,
跳跃性很强的
with no connection.
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比如说我在写完这个的时候
For example, after i finished this,
我不知道怎么又突然想起，白天的时候朋友说过的一个汽车的型号
i don’t know how suddenly i remembered that there’s a type of car i talked about with my friends in the daytime.
他们说想买
They said they wanted to buy it.
这个事情我就想了一下
It only stayed in my mind for a second.
它就变成了我头脑里的一个信息了
But it still became a message.
然后我就突然想起了这个型号
So i just thought about the model,
就是这个编号
the number of it,
我就给它放上去了
i put it on.
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还有一个
There’s one more.
比如说制作一个东西需要的一个分量
For example, creating something new requires weight from another material.
两克
Like two gram.
就是我不知道怎么就会想起这种
I don’t know how i would think of it.
所以当时我画着画着就处于一个开放的状态
Maybe because i was at a very open status,
就是比较开放的一个状态
in a quite casual situation.
就任意我头脑随便想象
So i just let me imagination wonder.
非常自然
It’s very natural.
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我头脑里面有什么我就直接放上去
i put everything in my mind,
直接放上去
very directly.
就是这样的一个过程
Just like this kind of process.
你再回去看这个东西的时候，当时那个状态会很难进去吗？
Is it very difficult to go back into that status?
这个（人的状态）就是在流动
This is what i call mobility.
就这个东西对我来说的话
This thing for me,
每一张画完全没有可能重复
is like every painting is different.
就是完全没有可能重复
It is impossible to make them exactly the same.
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我其实想知道的是进入这样一个开放的工作状态的难度是什么？
What i really want to know is what is the difficulty of working in such an creative status.
就是你是经过了多少时间的工作准备，或者是克服了某种东西才能进入这个状态？
How much time you have been prepared for it, or if you have ever overcome anything to get into it.
比如说，我随便说啊
Like, i just said it.
如果今天不太了解艺术的人他肯定是觉得这就是瞎涂瞎画没什么难的呀
For someone who doesn’t know much about contemporary art, he definitely thinks that they’re nothing to do with art.
它的难度到底是什么呢？
So what is the difficulty of it?
我觉得难度对我来说的话，就是这个东西本身（画面效果）确实就不难
I think the difficulty is the simpleness.
我觉得对我来说它就是一种人性的挣扎
It is like a human struggle.
就是实际上到达某种，就是你独处，或者是你个人比较自由的这一个状态是非常有难度的
Actually it’s very difficult to bear the loneliness and reach to relatively freedom.
人跟社会，跟制度，跟传统的连接是非常显而易见的
People can never avoid the influence from the society, the social system and your tradition.
就这种影响是特别深刻的
And this kind of influence is way more powerful than u imagine.
所以说人很少有那种自在的样子
So i think it’s rare to see someone being themselves.
就是人很少有自在的体验
People rarely have a chance to be real.
意思就是说，我今天回去座下来面对一张白纸的时候我一开始不敢就这样画
I mean, most people don’t dare to paint like this,
或者是我不太会这样去画
or they wouldn’t do.
我会有期待或者是有很多既定的一些期待
When i paint, i must have had expectations for myself.
肯定是画一个好看的或者是怎样的是吧？
Like visually satisfying.
进入这样一个状态有这样一个精神上的难度？
Entering such a status has such a mental difficulty.
我觉得有，我觉得是有这个难度
I think it’s hard.
我觉得难度就是在你工作了之后你才能想象的到
only if you start working so that you can imagine.
只要你开始工作，开始之后你就发现很多事情并不是像你想象的那样简单
Only if you start to work, you will find many things are not as easy as you imagine.
但我觉得⼈在不工作的时候，是很容易把⾃⼰想象的非常万能的。
But I think that when people are not working, it is very easy to imagine themselves very versatile.
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看圣经
I read some bible.
说神的⼉子
It mentioned the son of Jesus.
我就一直想神的⼉子是什么样⼦呢?
So I was wondering what the son would be like?
是⼀个什么状态呢?
Like what kind of status?
后来我画的非常⼩
These are small, I started to draw small things after.
就是在手腕的这个范畴
Like the length of the wrist.
我觉得找到了比较舒适的表达头脑里⾯
I feel that I found a more comfortable expression inside the mind.
⼈的这个形象的尺⼨
For example, the size of this character.
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这张的话就没有出现文字
When I was painting this, there was no text in my mind.
就全是人物形象
They’re all characters.
既然是对人物的想象,那所有的人物为什么都是不完整的呢?
Since it is the imagination of the characters, why are all the characters incomplete?
或者这些人物就是这个样的，因为你在画的过程中你会发现 ... ...
Or the character is just like this, what u found during the time of painting
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比如说这个是铅笔
For example, this is painted with pencil.
完全是跟着材料的感觉走的
I was just completely following the feeling of this material.
还有点头发的感觉
Like here, still can tell it is hair.
对，刘海
Yes, fringe.
对，我画到这我就停下来
I stopped until I painted here.
我就觉得好像就是这个东西。
I felt as if it is not the image in my mind, it seemed to be this thing, that’s it I thought.
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