论一名建筑学大触的自我修养，俄罗斯小姐姐Anna带你走进建筑绘画的世界

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手绘从来都是建筑学教育的一项基础，更是一项重要的专业工具。

那么建筑学的大触究竟画的能有多好？

这次我们有幸采访了DA！的合伙人，俄罗斯小姐姐Anna Andronova。

话不多说，准备好膝盖吧！

Anna Andronova·俄罗斯

安娜毕业于俄罗斯喀山国立大学建筑与工程学院，后赴英国留学于伦敦UCL巴特莱特建筑学院并完成硕士学位，获得Max Fordham Environmental Design Prize，她的硕士导师是世界著名绘画建筑师CJ.Lim, 最近获得的奖项包括：2018天空之城SKYCITY建筑设计竞赛三等奖、2017年第五届国际拉法格罗姆奖可持续发展项目和愿景奖-下一代奖（欧洲）、2016国际商业广场概念设计竞赛-商业改变城市-三等奖、2018年第二届“衲田杯”国际可持续建筑设计竞赛二等奖，2016香港未来全球挑战机场竞赛和国际威卢克斯日光奖欧洲赛区冠军等。她的作品也曾发表在各大媒体杂志，例如在《绘画未来：当代艺术与建筑绘画的思辨》一书中。安娜曾工作于槃达建筑设计事务所（北京），并在理查德·罗杰斯建筑设计事务所（伦敦）担任过建筑师一职。

Q1:请问你是怎样看待建筑与绘画之间的关系的？大部分作品都是自己手绘完成吗，为什么会选择这样一种表达方式呢？

Most of works are done primarily by hand, because this is the most fluid way for me to both think and to express the idea - just as chopsticks could be used for both cooking and eating. Drawing is a very powerful tool in architecture, but it shouldn’t be limited to it. Food is more important than a frying pan, idea is more important than a drawing. I will expand more in the next question.

我的大部分作品主要是手绘，因为这对我来说是可以连接思考和表达最无缝衔接的工具，就像筷子既可以在烹饪时使用，也可以在吃饭时使用。绘画对建筑来说是非常有力的工具，但并不局限于此，就像食物比锅更重要。绘画要传递的想法比绘画本身更重要。我会在下一个问题展开。

Q2:参加竞赛或者项目的时候选择的表达形式会使用软件多一些还是手绘多一些？觉得软件与手绘比起来是否对自己的表达有限制？

I could not completely agree with the division between hand-drawing and software. Drawing is also only the tool. For some people, sculpting in 3D is more intuitive than sketching. And I wish I could write the sound symphony to express my idea about the building performance. I think the depth of connection between an artist and his tool is more important than the tool itself. On the other hand, tools we use are always affecting the expression. A building started from paper model is totally different from the one started from Maya massing. I think the more tools we know, the more we can combine according to idea needs - the more fluid will be the connection between initial idea and your creature. For me, combining drawing, physical and digital modelling, even writing and scripting are all important parts of expression.

（作品：呼吸城市模型）

我不完全赞同手绘和软件之间的划分。手绘也只是工具而已。对有的人来说，3D建模是比手绘更直接方便的工具。我希望我能书写和谐的交响曲来表达我对建筑的想法。对我来说，艺术家和工具之间的羁绊远比工具本身重要。另一方面来说，我们使用的工具也往往会影响自己的表达。一个始于纸板模型的建筑和始于maya建模的建筑会大大不同。我们知道越多的工具，就越能根据自己的想法和创意结合不同的工具，越能让最原始的创意和最终成品更无缝衔接。对我来说，手绘、实体模型、电脑模型甚至于写作和编程都是表达的重要组成部分。

（作品the grand paris of niger图纸，讲述了一个关于水的sustainability的设想）

Q3：建筑对你来说意味着什么？从偏概念性的竞赛到实际工作是否会觉得有距离，自己是怎样平衡概念与实际的呢？

For sure, there is always a gap. There’s a gap between your proto-idea and the final entry; a gap between winning entry and construction drawing, the gap between the construction drawing and workers’ understanding, the gap between final building and people’s experiences. Our profession consists of “gaps”, and this is exactly the place where magic happens. Working in a spatial design studio Loop.pH where I developed the project from idea to installation in one month, show me the beauty of this whole process in short time. The way our object got the shape because of fashion artist skills who drew the pattern for a pavilion, materials available to get, or our tired hands when we were knotting more than 2,000 knots in 16m long cord is exciting. For me, this is what architecture is. I think we always should face the gap not as a destructive occasion, but as a possibility to make a project richer.

当然会有距离。从你的初始概念到最终成果、从中标到施工图、从施工图到工人的理解、从最终建成的建筑到人们的体验，这之间永远会有距离。我们的专业就是充满着这样的“距离”，而这正是见证奇迹的时刻。我在空间设计事务所studio Loop.pH工作的时候，从装置的概念设计到建成只用了一个月时间。这一个月的时间我充分感受到这个短暂过程的美妙之处。不管是形式来自于时尚设计师利用现成材料设计pavalion的图案，还是我们徒手用16米长的绳子编织出2000多个绳结，这些过程都令人兴奋。对我来说，这就是建筑。我想我们始终会面临这些距离，但并不是作为一个毁灭性的因素，而是一个使你的作品更丰富的可能性。

Q4：在不同国家的求学经历与工作经历给你带来了哪些难忘的收获与体验？

I have been always curious and hungry about different experiences; I believe that environment is the best teacher. I love my alma-mater, TIArch studio, where I fully realized myself as an architect. Two years after graduation, I still can come to my studio, just like going home, share my happiness and hear new stories. Seeing generations coming after me, learning from me and making it better than me is so inspiring!

When I came to Bartlett, it was a great school. Not because it is ranked number two in the world. It is exactly the opposite: it is the community of strong thinkers and change-making tutors, a unique atmosphere of competing-and-friendship, endless experiment, failure, and greatest success, my passionate mates - I think I fell in love with each of them! It is also the city of London, great and powerful city, where I reached the absolute freedom and responsibility for your own life. The only problem you face is that outside of this bubble is less conscious than you expect and it is a long work in front of you to bring what you earned to reality.

Practicing in China was another type of experience, which brought me much more than knowledge of how to make a good plan. I learned that East is another universe, that different is great, that people around the world have common ideas, and that sometimes a soul of the person born 6,000 km away from you could be closer than anyone’s else.

Experience is not limited to school and work, though. Being lost in the Turkish desert or being painfully ill and cold in la Tourette monastery - all these impact the way I think and feel. When I become a mother, and rock my baby during the long night, I am sure my vision of architecture will be totally different. And I am looking forward to, actually. Not a lot of mothers were able to shape this world before, and world needs it to be more kind and caring.

我对于不同的经历一直都是非常好奇和渴望的。我相信环境就是最好的老师。我爱我俄罗斯的母校，爱我的TIArch studio。在那里我才意识到自己是一名建筑师。毕业两年后，我还会经常回到那里，就像回家一样，和同学们分享喜悦和新经历。看到学弟学妹们从我这里学习到一些东西，又在我的基础上更上一层楼，真是令人振奋。

（作品Hong Kong Aerocenosis图纸）

后来我到UCL学习。Bartlett是个很棒的学校，不是因为它全球排名第二，恰恰相反。他是一个强大的思考者、带来改变的导师的社区，有一种相爱相杀、无穷无尽的实验、失败、巨大成功混合在一起的独特氛围。我都要爱上我每一个充满激情的伙伴了。伦敦是个很棒的城市，在这里我感受到对自己生活完全自由的掌控。唯一的问题就是在走出理想的泡泡之后，你会比自己设想的更无意识，而你面前还有到达现实的更长的一段路。

在中国的实践则是完全不同的体验。在这里，相较于学到知识，我学到的更多是如何做好计划。我知道东方世界完全是另一个时空，会有巨大的不同。但是即便如此，世界各地的人们也会有相同之处。你永远无法想象自己会和一个6000km以外成长的人成为最亲密的人。

当然，体验不只局限于学校和工作。在土耳其沙漠里迷路、在拉图雷特修道院得了重感冒等等等等。这一切都会影响我的思考和感知。我相信如果未来我成了一名母亲，在长夜中轻轻摇晃我的宝宝，我对建筑的认知也会发生巨大变化，对这个世界会更温和。

Q5：现在的工作状态是怎样的？觉得对现在的状态是否满意？

Currently, I need to work three years in Russia due to the government scholarship to study abroad. For me it is a great exercise in my own identity, to work in my motherland with a global eye. I changed three offices and did there competitions in one month to understand what are the best fit for me. However, the most important dream for me is our Da! dream. I feel only own practice can be really satisfying in terms of ideas you want to develop, balance between learning, practicing and teaching, building the best team.

现在因为政府奖学金资助的要求，我要回俄罗斯工作三年。对我来说这是寻找自我的重要机会，用全球化的眼光在我的国家进行实践。我换了三个事务所工作，通过参加竞标在一个月内了解最适合我的是什么。然而对我来说最重要的梦想是我们的DA！。从发展概念、平衡学习实践和教学、组建团队的角度来说，我感觉属于自己的实践才能真正带来满足感。

（详情请戳 https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/5WknXrTHtA0EMD1grdiroQ）

（DA！Architiects网站链接：https://da-archi.net/，同时欢迎关注DA！Architects 公众号）

Q8：有哪位建筑师或者是导师对于你来说有着启蒙意义，给你比较大的影响？

Our profession in XX century tends to be personality-driven, such landmark persons are le Corbusier, Peter Cook or Zaha Hadid. Of course, they gave us a big impact. Now I have pleasure to see profession more and more diversified and less starry. African, Latin American and Asian architects get their voices heard. I like that atmosphere of variety and I love seeing lectures from any unknown architects and getting new visions. I also appreciate all my tutors and bosses, Ilnar and Rezeda Akhtiamovs from TIArch, C.J.Lim from Bartlett, Chris Prech and Dayong Sun from Penda, Matthias Gmahl and Rachel Wingfield from Loop.pH. They all worked with me very closely and I appreciate all the effort put in me.

我们行业的模式在过去比较接近由单个人驱动，比如大师级的人物柯布西耶、彼得库克和扎哈哈迪德。毋庸置疑他们带来了巨大的影响。现在我很开心看到行业越来越推崇多元和融合而非造神。非裔、拉丁裔和亚裔建筑师的声音越来越多的被听到。我喜欢这种多元化，不停的接触到不认识的建筑师、不同的观点。我也非常感谢我所有的导师和老板。TIArch的Ilnar and Rezeda Akhtiamovs，Bartlett的C.J.Lim，Penda的hris Prech和Dayong Sun，Loop.pH的Matthias Gmahl和Rachel Wingfield。他们都亲切滴指导过我工作，所以我非常感激他们在我身上花的心血。

Q9:一些竞赛项目中与你多次合作的男友兼队友给了你怎样的影响？两人一起创办公众号与网站是怎样的初衷，两人的风格是否相同，是怎样协调与平衡的？

This is probably the most complicated question for us now; it is now only one month as we started working together physically and mentally, still a lot to discover. To be a team is more than be 1+1. We already know that the most important thing is to trust each other, and trust your partner more than to yourself. You can’t hide from the differences between us, and you have to know how to not crush, but join these two river streams, me and him, in one flow. Peace, understanding, respect, flexibility and confidence are the values to make such flow.

I am extremely grateful to Sun for all the wisdom he taught me. Of course I am influenced, I am becoming more accepting than radical, more confident than rebellious. I am the wind, he is the rock. Sometimes with discussion, sometimes just sitting shoulder-to-shoulder close and do a competition is the happiest thing a person could have.

这个问题可能是现在最复杂的。我们现在刚刚开始合作一个月，还有很多需要调整的。作为一个团队不仅仅是1+1。我们已经知道最重要的是互相信任，信任你的合伙人甚至于你自己。你无法隐藏两人之间的不同之处，所以要学着如何不冲突，而是把两股水汇成一股。平静、互相理解、尊重、包容和自信会让事情更好的进展。我非常感谢Sun教会我的智慧。当然，我会受到很多影响，变得更容易接受而不是激进，更自信而非叛逆。我就像风他就像石头。有时讨论，哪怕只是肩并肩的坐在一起做一个竞赛都是最幸福的。

Q10：建筑是自己想要坚持一生的职业吗？是否考虑来到中国发展？

I already stuck to architecture, and I feel this is a type of career which has the flexibility to adapt to any changes happening in society. There are professions which appear quickly and fade even quicker, but architecture for me is not only a profession, but rather a way of thinking. This is the way I feel this world and the way I create a new one. I hope this state will be with me during all my life.

I tend to think of myself as global architect, ready to dive in different context. However, I strongly believe that in order to have right to do anything in any place, we should love this place. And to love the place, we need to know it. Having deep emotional connection to China for more than three years from my first visit (and actually it starts from childhood books about Feng Shui and beautiful stories), loving Chinese people (even though foreigner could find a lot of things weird at first sight), seeing rapid and brave in its scale Chinese development, makes me very excited about the opportunity to be there and contribute.

（在中国的竞标作品，宿迁游牧浴场花园—Da!Architects。详情请戳 https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/J7XksF9stJBqcZaZKj7zsQ）

我已经进入这个行业，同时我认为这个行业有充分的灵活性来适应社会中的各种变化。有很多行业快速出现却销声匿迹地更快。建筑，对我而言不仅仅是一个职业，更是一种思考方式。这是我感知现在这个世界以及创造新世界的方式。我希望这种状态能持续终生。我更愿意把自己当成一名国际建筑师，时刻准备好进入不同的文化语境。然而，我相信，为了能在一个地方更好地做更多事情，我们首先要热爱这个地方，而想要热爱它，我们首先要了解它。自从三年前第一次踏足中国，我就对这个地方有着强烈的感情（其实小的时候我就会看关于中国风水和传说的儿童读物），对这里的人民有着强烈的感情（就算是外国人也会在第一眼看到很多有趣奇怪的东西）。看到这里快速而勇敢的发展，让我对有机会呆在这里并贡献自己力量感到非常兴奋。

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